Life in the Red Group

Posted by: TruBlueRed on December 9, 2009 2:54PM CST Not surprising given all the latest info. Don't know much about the others, anyone have more info!

Posted by: Sam G. on December 9, 2009 2:55PM CST Awesome. I'll take Hardrick and David over Gabbert any day. Great trade! Thanks for the breaking news.

Posted by: TruBlueRed on December 9, 2009 2:55PM CST MAB!

Posted by: VA Husker on December 9, 2009 3:01PM CST It's obvious Tyler is not thinking this through. It is pretty obvious we are in need of a QB. There is a good chance of him getting some playing time early on. He is going to ride the pine at Mizzou forever until his brother is gone.

Posted by: nuhusker on December 9, 2009 3:05PM CST i live in kansas and have seen both of these recruits in person. the offensive lineman literally throws people off the line of scrimmage

Posted by: cajunhusker on December 9, 2009 3:06PM CST Gabbert was always as goosey on this "commit" as his brother. It never made sense, and the coaches were a bit foolish to believe that he would actually follow through with the commitment in the first place. Now there is no QB, and precious few offensive players.

Posted by: eddie too on December 9, 2009 3:06PM CST we are better off without gabbert if he does not believe in our program 100%. hopefully, the coaches were wrong about Lee being our best qb.

Posted by: rattenkriegplatte on December 9, 2009 3:07PM CST Personally I think Tyler rides the pine wherever he goes. Was not impressed with the clips I saw and his numbers this year don't speak of a high recruit. I think part of the reason he got favorable reviews was due to his brother being a solid high recruit. I'll take a high quality massive lineman and a quality linebacker anyday. Awesome!

Posted by: AlanAn on December 9, 2009 3:07PM CST Misery already has a high profile QB so he may never play if he goes there. This may be because Watson has told him he is not sure if he will still be here next year.

Posted by: RonJe on December 9, 2009 3:08PM CST very good exchange, Hardwick (OT)-David (LB), for Gabbert (QB)-Carter (WR). Gabbert has played the Huskers for nearly five months. He caused us to lose Zach Robinson and perhaps one other. Never felt to good about that kid and on top of it he had a terrible senior season, but then so did his brother.

Posted by: Miller on December 9, 2009 3:10PM CST I would rather have the two that committed then Gabbert, he is a short little QB and we have Green and others. I think there is going to be a shake up in coaching staff I have a feeling, just a feeling. Gabberts decommit does not come as a surprise and it doesn't bother me a bit.

Posted by: drivebyposter on December 9, 2009 3:12PM CST JC guys. Is this kansas state> or just another version of a walkon/off bad habits already.

Posted by: TimBe on December 9, 2009 3:13PM CST It's amazing how some of you NU fans all of the sudden forget how prized your recruits were/are, until they decide they don't belong in Lincoln. Face it, your offense has been/is terrible. Until you guys figure out what your offensive identity is, and stop recruiting certain types of players and then changing your offense, NU's offense will continue to struggle.

Posted by: drivebyposter on December 9, 2009 3:14PM CST did cotten pick that ol guy

Posted by: husker_in_OK on December 9, 2009 3:15PM CST So do we get Wray now or is there a possibility we can steal Robinson back from Purdue? We have to be more appealing than Purdue don't we?

Posted by: Miller on December 9, 2009 3:16PM CST TimBe, Gabbert was threatening months ago to decommit it didn't bother me then and it doesn't now. I live 20 miles from STL across the river in IL and I have been hearing the rumor for forever, so now I did not have this kid high up on our list to stay. TimBe oh ok, for you we will quit recruiting those players, oh and by the way are you an MU fan, you have no team just remember NU beat you all.

Posted by: RocketHusker on December 9, 2009 3:17PM CST Where is everyone getting this "Watson may not be here" info?

Posted by: PT Husker on December 9, 2009 3:19PM CST Gabbert is a WCO style QB. IF we are moving to more power and play action it does not suit him. Probably a wise move on his part. DBP especially with the O lineman, we need help. NOW. they may be a package.

Posted by: TimBe on December 9, 2009 3:20PM CST Also, dbp put it best.....Bo is resorting to JC for o-line help? Pitiful. That's no way to develop any continuity for your offensive front. BTW, if Blaine continues to progress at the pace he has he won't be in Columbia for 4 years, that's a fact. Thanks for the concern, though.

Posted by: PT Husker on December 9, 2009 3:21PM CST rocket, could it be wishful thinking????

Posted by: Ray in Bellevue on December 9, 2009 3:21PM CST Watson will have to develop a QB from the current roster of scholarship players, Lee, Green, Washington, Spano, and Martinez. Can he do it? Probably not, so we will muddle through another season of moronic offense where first downs are numbered on one hand, and FGs are the score of choice. Pelini will have to set his stamp on the offense if anything is to change much.

Posted by: ChrisMo on December 9, 2009 3:23PM CST I'd rather see the recruiting effort turn to a new offensive coordinator, one with some creativity and less predictability!!

Posted by: SteveTa on December 9, 2009 3:24PM CST Tyler gabbert said after committing to NU he would help recruit players from MO. He sounded to me like he was sold on the program.

Posted by: Brian Christopherson on December 9, 2009 3:25PM CST Hardrick is very good from what I've heard from several good football people. Given the O-line and where it's at, Husker fans should be pleased about getting him.

Posted by: PT Husker on December 9, 2009 3:25PM CST For the Husker fans here, I just had a Brain Fart. Joey Ganz is a Graduate assistant for Next year. Instant QB coach.

Posted by: TimBe on December 9, 2009 3:28PM CST Miller: Uh, yes, I'm an MU alum and fan. I'm from STL, and I spent time growing up in Omaha. However, I wasn't hearing the same rumors you were months ago, regarding Tyler. Anyhow, the point is that NU's having trouble recruiting topnotch offensive players like never before. Some of it was Callahan, but he can no longer shoulder that blame, he's gone. Something is extremely foul in the state of Nebraska football. Methinks it's NU's archaic offensive philosophy.

Posted by: TCHusker on December 9, 2009 3:29PM CST As soon as I saw the Gabbert had committed I was pretty skeptical--I've pretty much expected him to change his mind. At first I thought he'd decommit because I assumed Green was going was going to be a stud. While Green might have some talent he was pretty underwhelming this season. Now it's pretty obvious he's decommitted because of poor offensive performance and not seeing himself fitting in whatever "style" of offense the Huskers are using. I'm interested to see if this offense can get something together for the bowl to maybe drum up some interest from offensive recruits. Some type of offense that scores points and doesn't just play keep away.

Posted by: Sam G. on December 9, 2009 3:29PM CST TimBe, why don't you just stick to Mizery blogging boards and do us all a favor? NU kicked Blaine and Mizery's a$$ this year, and will likely do so for years to come. Go live in your little Gabbert fantasy world and leave this blog to NU fans.

Posted by: Dave on December 9, 2009 3:30PM CST You have to be an idiot to compare us to KSU because of 2 juco recruits. KSU's whole class was jucos. Jucos are a good source to fill weak spots with some experience. With Dillard gone, we return a bunch of guys who will be sophomore LB's with limited playing time. Everyone and their dog agrees we need OL help. Both sound like great additions.

Posted by: SteveTa on December 9, 2009 3:32PM CST Tim Be, NU has 3 Sasquatch size fr.ol waiting in the wings a few JC guys would add to the cotinuity not detract, experience is a plus. By the way K-state was primarly made up of jc guys, not a fair comparison.

Posted by: BlackshirtBeado on December 9, 2009 3:33PM CST Yes, Ganzy gonna be coaching. Awesome for the big red. As far as the Gabberts are concerned. We're starting to play a hardnosed style of football. It's become glaring obvious that the Gabbert Bros, Like Soft, delicate, shotgun football. Maybe they'll be good QBs at the college level, No shot in the NFL playing that style. Husker Nation should take stock. We don't need any Nancyboy primadonnas on this Mans Team. Hope he commits at a school we face. We have a great tradition of making Nancy QB decommits look foolish

Posted by: BlackshirtBeado on December 9, 2009 3:36PM CST Nothing Wrong with Nebraska. Just changing the Philosophy from soft finesse, to a power (MANS) game. I've never trusted the Gabberts. They've been shady from the get go. We don't need any Chase Daniel wanna be bobbleheads at this Program. Just need that Defense to reload!

Posted by: huskers4_eva on December 9, 2009 3:37PM CST Thats some of the best news i've heard all day. David is a top notch LB. Fast and Physical. He'll probably come in right away and start for the replacement of Dillard. You thought Dillard was good, this guy is better. Also, grabbing Hardrick is huge. I only wish we could get one more Offensive Lineman this year. I'm serious. The more the better.

Posted by: drivebyposter on December 9, 2009 3:38PM CST Okay brian I believe you. What was Lee?

Posted by: TimBe on December 9, 2009 3:40PM CST Sam: Correction, Suh kicked MU's a$$, and many others, this year. That kid is the best d-lineman I've seen in years. Nevertheless, the big 12 was down this year, and MU was very young at certain key positions. Your Huskers picked a fine year to win the north. However, with Big Suh gone that puts your defense back in a perilous position. Unless NU has another Suh or Wistrom in the fold, next year could be a rough one for you guys. Especially if the offense continues to be as horrible as it is.

Posted by: TCHusker on December 9, 2009 3:41PM CST I feel like almost any "style" of quarterback can fit into a scheme like the one I think the Huskers are moving towards--maybe a kind of power/spread type attack similar to Florida. That type of offense can utilize a pocket passer with play action, a mobile quarterback with zone reads, options, and options passes, or some combination of the two. The only thing a recruit could really say about not fitting in is that that don't think they'd get enough pass attempts.

Posted by: huskers4_eva on December 9, 2009 3:42PM CST TimBe, i have no idea what you are talking about with our defense. Apparently you haven't watched enough Nebraska football games to respect how good Nebraska really can be next year on defense.

Posted by: The Wombat on December 9, 2009 3:43PM CST The Brothers Who Might Have Been Huskers will probably wish they were Huskers in the coming years. Brothers, we hardly knew ye. That might be better for all of us. But I think we need a QB ready to lead us back into our archaic, simpleton smashmouth offense. With a little Air Brigade attached. I think any QB we have at present can pull that off on the right day with the right attitude. The question is, who can pull that off for the rest of his career here? I still like Green, but can hardly wait to see Spano and Martinez.

Posted by: Fuzzy on December 9, 2009 3:45PM CST Just another indictment of the pure idiocy of Shawna Watson. You would have thought he would have learned after the first Gabbert reneged, but no, he instead wastes a year worth of time and effort into recruiting a guy who was more than likely going to flake anyway....I mean, how obvious was it. Not to mention, he still has not learned about the "only one QB" being a complete and total recruiting disaster. Also - what is Gilmore doing as our rec. coordinator??? No RBs? One QB? One WR NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF?????? It is time to cut ties with these Callahan hold overs. They don't get it and it is time for them to stop standing in our way of success. Bo had better move on ...... or it's on him.

Posted by: BlackshirtBeado on December 9, 2009 3:45PM CST Look folks, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, and again. Spread offense: Nancyboy football Power I offense: Mansgame If these soft kids don't wanna get, and give punishment. Then don't come here. You'll just get yourself hurt. When the Big Red is hoisting another Crystal Ball up in the air in a couple of years after pummeling people into submission. You are more then welcome to watch from the soft comfort of your home.........cuz that's where you'll be

Posted by: TommyOC on December 9, 2009 3:46PM CST Blaine was a QB is hated to lose, Tyler, ah not so much. Short little QB's are not what I'm interested in. I like a kid who can see over the line of scrimmage. I also just don't get a kid who doesn't want to come into a situation where he could obviously have the chance to be a real difference maker. Good luck standing in your bro's shawdow for the next couple years. If NU puts him out of the game next season, maybe we'll get a shot at you boy.

Posted by: SteveTa on December 9, 2009 3:47PM CST Husker D may even be BETTER next year...Tim Be the footsteps you hear chasing down Blaine Gabbert will belong to a boy named CRICK!

Posted by: Cornhusker_Colonial on December 9, 2009 3:48PM CST Lose an under-sized QB -- gain a beast on the O-line; I see that as a net positive. Make the Pipeline a priority, and the return to prominence will flow through it.

Posted by: TCHusker on December 9, 2009 3:50PM CST Anyone care to guess who's going to be the starting QB in the bowl game? Next season?

Posted by: DenverHusker on December 9, 2009 3:50PM CST I'm with you there, Colonial. I wouldn't mind having another skill position player or two, though. QB, RB, WR, please.

Posted by: inflation on December 9, 2009 3:50PM CST I think the O-line is where NU needs the most improvement. WCO linemen are no help to the type of offense Bo wants to run at NU. If you have an excellent O-line you can successfully run almost any offense, especially with the D we are going to have. Check out the high school stats of the QB's Bo has recruited to NU, Spano, Green and Martinez. Good passers, excellent runners, and excellent size, 6'2" - 6'4". I never understood recruiting Gabbert except to make MU work a little harder for him.

Posted by: HuskerzFL on December 9, 2009 3:51PM CST TimBe - how many titles does misery have? That's what I thought.

Posted by: TimBe on December 9, 2009 3:53PM CST As for the "We're committing to a man's offense, not finesse one crowd..... MOVE THE FREAKING CHAINS before you crow about some sort of 'make believe' offense that hasn't yet come to fruition. "I never trusted the Gabberts. They've been shady from the get go...." Give me a break. You, just like every other NU fan, was singing "Gabbert Praises" until they both decided they didn't want to hand the ball off to mediocre rb's, behind a mediocre offensive line all season. "We don't need any Chase Daniel wanna be bobbleheads at this program..." Yeah, the LAST thing NU needs is a heisman finalist running the offense, that makes perfect sense. Yeah, NU needs more 'talented' qb's like Zac Lee running the show. W/that attitude it's no wonder the Big red offensive locomotive has been stalled for so long.

Posted by: gbrjwb on December 9, 2009 3:53PM CST It's time to put Green in full time and a different offensive strategy. ? new offensive coordinator? . We need a balanced offense. Running every play straight into the line like we did against Texas is a loser these days. Nu Alum.

Posted by: Fuzzy on December 9, 2009 3:54PM CST We have to change our philosophy, period. No more zone blocking scheme. Man on man, power I football. That is what our OLine coach knows and can teach. This pansy a## spread formation BS that Watson has brought it has to be flushed from the system immediately. Get back to the basics of what we know, what we can coach, what we can execute, and what we can recruit to. I am so sick of people being enamored with this girly spread offense crap that I'm about to puke. The spread has NO BUSINESS being played at Nebraska. Period.

Posted by: HuskerzFL on December 9, 2009 3:55PM CST It must suck being a misery fan. Their window has closed...hahahahaha

Posted by: huskerNsc on December 9, 2009 3:56PM CST I have nothing bad to say about Gabbert, but I don't see this as a big loss. We have five QBs on scholarship right now and I feel we have bigger needs elsewhere, especially with the small group of seniors leaving. I think that we need to back off on the panic mode about the offense as well. We lost a great QB and two solid receivers, along with two linemen that got NFL looks and a solid running back off of last years offense. That along with our RB injuries this year was a near impossible situation for our offensive coaches. They had to basically go into a shell to just not lose games for our dominating D and for the most part it worked. With a bunch of bowl practices and spring ball next year, I think we will see a much different O next year. I still think Green and Lee could end up being productive, and we haven't seen what Spano, Martinez and Washington can do. Obviously the O needs work but I think we have a lot of quality pieces to work with, they just need time to fit them together.

Posted by: Fuzzy on December 9, 2009 3:57PM CST TimBE - take a hike. We kicked your butts last year, and are going to kick your butts next year, and the year after that. When you end up on the wrong side of the scoreboard - you shut your pie hole. So get lost.

Posted by: Buzz on December 9, 2009 3:58PM CST Archaic or not, with the right personnel TO's offense WORKS. We need a QB that has wheels...Sean Robinson or Detchaz Wray or go without this year.

Posted by: Matt in MN on December 9, 2009 4:00PM CST How interesting that the last two guys that have decommitted are also guys being pursued by Missouri. Could Gary Pinkel and co. be raiding Nebraska's recruiting class once again? Using the offense's performance to plant seeds of doubt in their young minds? I hope we kill them every year until that classless oaf gets fired.

Posted by: PT Husker on December 9, 2009 4:00PM CST Kids go to Juco for many reasons. Ft Scott has been a piplene line for us for years. Back in the Devany days we sent kids there to grow up, get their grades in line, and get some polish. 2 positions we need help at. No problem here.

Posted by: Busiekcreek on December 9, 2009 4:01PM CST Mercy, mercy, something has got to be done.

Posted by: Robka on December 9, 2009 4:01PM CST GOOD:) NOW THE BLACKSHIRSTS CAN CRUSH ALL THE GERBERTS:) BO BIG RED!!!

Posted by: HuskerzFL on December 9, 2009 4:02PM CST For as bad as our offense was we still beat misery. Hell, we beat them in their back yard. So, tell me, what does that say about your team, TimBe? Keep talking your trash its great for comic relief.

Posted by: BlackshirtBeado on December 9, 2009 4:05PM CST Nebraskas Defense in a perilous position? Suh the only player we have? Unless someone is waiting in the wings? Are you for real?? Jared Crick is a sophmore, and Suh has been saying that kid gonna be more dominate then him. I don't know how you achieve that, but I trust Suhs opinion. Our ENTIRE defense was stout this year. Not just one guy, and they have even more talent ready to break out. As you saw, the Huskers didn't need much of an Offense with that D. Just imagine whats gonna happen when they put an offense together. I'm talking 'bout runnin' the table son!!

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 4:05PM CST lol the O won't look anything like it has the last 3 weeks next year dude. get a grip. 6 weeks into the changeup, playing it real conservative for now...only a bone head and a short sighted dimwitted HS kid would think this is what it will look like as it gets closer to the finished product. Fricken morons, as if a staff can install a completely new scheme, philosophy and playbook in 5-6 weeks midseason...goofballs. Stick to fantasy football. And you obviously have no clue that Crick, Merideth, Ankrah, Baby Stein and a host of other players are young and ready to roll right now...2 years from now they will be scary good along the lines of Suh, maybe not one of them as fierce as him alone, but together will be a better unit than this years. Next year alone they will again dominate as Defense even more than this year, nevermind how sick they will be as a unit in 2011. Baby Stein dominated the HS allstar games both sides of the ball. Not to mention the wicked DB's and backers that are in the mix. The dude we could possibly land on D line out of Oregon...pray we don't get him there TimBer. But first you must chop down the tallest treeee in the forest...wiiiiith a Herrrring!! That's what your mizzery is up against, chopping down the tallest tree in the forest with a fish. GL with that goofball. Talk smack somewhere the people don't know their football, you'll have more luck. Thanks for playing "clueless moron fan from another dimension" though it's been fun.

Posted by: Busiekcreek on December 9, 2009 4:07PM CST Go rluben

Posted by: TimBe on December 9, 2009 4:08PM CST HuskerzVA: We have NO Big 12 or National football titles. That was easy. Come stronger, please. huskers4eva, and company: Actually, I have followed NU football for about the last 20-25 years. I follow them some now, but for different reasons. Crick and company had banner seasons mainly due to the man-beast he lined-up next to this year. Yes, Suh was that dominant. He's a once in a generation player, just ask your coaches. Heck, WITH Suh in 2007-2008, MU and every other Big 12 team with a high-powered offense mowed through the 'vaunted blackshirt' defense. Two years under Pelini and developing his game led to a dominant year for Suh and his teamates. Make no mistake about it, NU will NOT be the defense they were this year, next year. Period. That's exactly why you guys need to figure out some semblance of an offense. Hey, why not do what you guys used to do, just offer more under the table money to bluechips?

Posted by: SteveTa on December 9, 2009 4:09PM CST BUSIE,WHERE IS YOUR PICTURE of the Studebaker,I think its pretty cool.

Posted by: HuskerzFL on December 9, 2009 4:10PM CST Keep telling yourself that TimBe. I know it's hard to accept that your tiggers will never amount to anything as a program.

Posted by: Tice on December 9, 2009 4:10PM CST I don't quite follow you Timbe, by stalled for so long I'm guessing you mean the last three quarters of this year because last year we were flying high on offense. Blaine would have been just fine, wasn't ever too excited about the younger bro, but who knows, maybe he's the next Reesing\Ganz\Daniels. Some recruits see a stalled offense and worry about winning, others see it and want to be a part of turning it around...and also recognize that playing time will come early and often if you are good. Other recruits see a high flying offense and want to be a part of it, but are concerned about playing time and competition. If a recruit is looking at a school like NU they should sure as heck know mediocrity will not last long, and if they are top notch they will come in and be a part of making it great again. The comments by the last two decommits don't come off as dominate strong-willed competitors, and if they don't realize NU's game plan will change once we do have dominate strong-willed players then they are showing a lack of maturity and football knowledge. For the record I think our current O is full of strong-willed competitors, they just aren't dominate. Maybe it's coaching, maybe it's ability, but the offense has been fine the last few years and it isn't the coaches making bad passes and dropping balls.

Posted by: BlackshirtBeado on December 9, 2009 4:10PM CST When they get the players they need to return us to power football, and reload with the D. The pass happy Big 12 is gonna have another thing comin' ...and look at the Bobblehead now? Where is his Heisman? Where are his trophies, and conference titles, and Crystal balls? Come to think of it. Where is his NFL career. He can;t even see over his Center

Posted by: JayBr on December 9, 2009 4:11PM CST No worries about TimBe's comments. Certainly our defense was outstanding, possibly the best with Suh. I've heard a lot of Missouri fans saying our defense will not be good next year without Suh, but the truth is with the Pelini Bros as coaches, our defense will be just fine. DT recruits know what Bo has done with G Dorsey and N Suh. If we can get the o-line to dominate like the d-line, we'll be in good shape.

Posted by: TomOs on December 9, 2009 4:11PM CST Suh, single handily.. messed MU's season this year.. tell you what B. Gabby is a very good QB.. and was coming on strong at the end of the year.. I give credit where credit is due.. I wont underestimate his talents. We need to start grooming our younger talents at the skill positions.. because we are not getting them in the recruiting season this year.

Posted by: HuskerzFL on December 9, 2009 4:13PM CST BlackshirtBeado - Daniel is setting in his moms basement eating his boogers....hahahahahaha

Posted by: RocketHusker on December 9, 2009 4:14PM CST PT, I totally agree. Wasn't Rozier a JC? Sometimes the grades take importance, why penalize a kid who needs another year to straighten those out as some under-talented athlete who will disrupt team chemistry?

Posted by: BlackshirtBeado on December 9, 2009 4:14PM CST Missouri fans don't appriciate the defense they're gonna see outta the Huskers for years to come. I mean, did you watch the title game? Manalive!!

Posted by: RU4NU2 on December 9, 2009 4:15PM CST Your right about one thing TimBe. The defense won't be the same next year, it will be BETTER. Suh was very dominate, but there were a lot of coverage sacks this year and much of the secondary is back. GBR!

Posted by: HuskerzFL on December 9, 2009 4:16PM CST To many people on this blog go into panic mode too easy. I'm very confident Bo and staff will fix what needs to be fixed.

Posted by: Ray in Bellevue on December 9, 2009 4:16PM CST rluben. You shouldn't hold back so much on your comments. It's ok to tell us what you really think!

Posted by: Drinkin' Wit' Terrell Farley on December 9, 2009 4:16PM CST Sure, the NU offense is awful right now and going through growing pains I can't see a Mizzou fan getting worked up over an opposing team though when the Tiger defense is as bad as it is, the secondary is absolutely brutal It's just as damning to me to see a 3rd string QB from Baylor throw for 420+ yards as it is to see the fumbling and bungling of 8 TO's against ISU

Posted by: Tice on December 9, 2009 4:17PM CST I want commits that see's what we have and say, "I want to play with that D, and I'm going to help make this O great. I'm going to get out there and kill it right away." Instead of two guys, a QB saying "well the offense isn't going where I'd like it to be (read, passing game)" and "well they aren't throwing it out to the slot enough." Guess what guys, if you two both came on we would do both. Really though, the WR decom would need to know how to block and if he's just a little guy maybe not the best fit, though if the coaches seem to like him who knows, they are smarter than I am. For the comments about Watson recruiting lil' Gab, I can't imagine every recruit isn't discussed among Bo and the others. I may be wrong but I doubt Wats just shows up and says "hey I might be on to something" and no one else has any idea what he's up to.

Posted by: BlackshirtBeado on December 9, 2009 4:17PM CST Mizzou fans still beating the ChaseD drum. WHERE IS HE NOW? Hey atleast we swindled Chase Rome out of columbia hahaha The tiggers wanted him

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 4:18PM CST Oh and we won't even talk about Eric Martin and Whaley, when they get up to speed on D and start contributing at backer. This TimBe clown has no idea what's about to hit him and the rest of the North the next 5 years and beyond...no clue at all. Whaley, I think that's the spelling was TX's defensive player of the year as a junior if I recall right. Had a knee injury he was healig up from his redshirt freshman year. Eric Martin will be a beast, and you'll learn that the hard way I guess as you turn off your TV or walk out of the game early wondering why, why does Mizzery have to suck this bad again.

Posted by: Busiekcreek on December 9, 2009 4:18PM CST Steve, it's on the puter at the house. Will change it up when I get home. I'm gonna think of that TimBe fellow next year when the Mizzu players are hauled off the field after getting "shaken up a bit". Was funny today at work some of the guys were talking to me about Suh as I had "Big Suh #93" as my ID on the LSU fb boards all this season. Last fall, they asked who in the heck was Suh. Today they were talking about him tossing quarterbacks around like frisbees. One of the guys said "Did you see what he did to that Missouri qb, that boy ain't been 'right' since" I'm not feeding trolls today and I am hoping all of you in the snow/cold stay warm and safe. 4 more days to work and my bondage will be over. lol

Posted by: Country Husker on December 9, 2009 4:19PM CST I wish the tiggers the best of luck against Crick, Stien, Allen, Meridith, Amakamura, Gomes, Dennard, Hagg, ERIC MARTIN, and all those redshirts Carl tells us we will be impressed with next year. Good one Timmy. And we have a bowl, spring practice, fall practice, and some more sunbelt quality teams to beat up on and work out the power run kinks with by the time the tiggers come back to Lincoln. Maybe you guys can match Denario Alexanders future NFL salary and get him to change his name and come back to MU next year cause it ain't lookin like there's much at MU without him and Witherspoon.

Posted by: TomOs on December 9, 2009 4:20PM CST Realistically.. it is almost impossible to replace a Suh, one like that comes once every 5-7 years or so.. but remember also.. Dillard, Asante, Turner, Matty.. were all solid players.. We will be good again next year, Bo knows D.. but this year was special.. to have an anchor like Suh is hard to replace.. hopefully not akin to replace like Ganz, Swift, Peterson on O

Posted by: huskers4_eva on December 9, 2009 4:21PM CST TimBe - no comment man. It's obvious you don't like Nebraska, but in all seriousness how can you bring up the 07 and even 08 season to help prove your case. Stop acting like you know what your talking about. Its kinda embarrassing to read.

Posted by: Miller on December 9, 2009 4:22PM CST I also think our D will be better next year, we have the players, talen and coaches. Suh was huge but we will develope another one, two or three. TimBe you have to remember we have a pair of the best defensive coaches in college football, they happen to be brothers and tight. Our Offense may struggle next year, but not like this year, changes will be made and maybe the style. MU wishes to contend for an NC, NU will contend for an NC in the next year or two. Mu will never see one!

Posted by: Tice on December 9, 2009 4:23PM CST Every 5-7??? Coaches have been saying they haven't seen someone like him in 30+ year careers! With that said, he was the highlight of an all around stellar (and young) D, the experience and maturing of the current players should make up for his loss...I'm not worried about the D, Bo has a fantastic track record the last 6 or 7 years and only had Suh for 2...and developed him into a potential #1 draft choice.

Posted by: Joe Don Looney on December 9, 2009 4:23PM CST If I am Gabbert's dad, I'm saying "Get out now!" NU has no commitment to serious offense, and now will be 3 yards and a cloud of dust, then punt. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. So, who is next to decommit?

Posted by: PT Husker on December 9, 2009 4:26PM CST Rocket. As is Brandoin Kinnie this year. and there are others that i can't think of at the moment. We got him from Busie's tigers so he can't be all bad. Might need a little time to adjust to the speed but I like that he feels he can step in right away. GO BIG FILLING NEEDS.

Posted by: Buzz on December 9, 2009 4:27PM CST Timbe.....the homestate tigers sure had to put up a fight to get lil gab to stay at the school he grew up watching. Having to focus this much in-state has to be hampering efforts in TX, CA, FL, etc. Hate to even mention chase rome.

Posted by: Busiekcreek on December 9, 2009 4:28PM CST Tice, I have to agree with your post. We will have a stellar D but let's be thankful we got to have Suh as a Husker. Suh and Dorsey don't come along that often and they had many things in common; mainly a damned good d coach. Go Bo, Go Big Red

Posted by: Huskerzone on December 9, 2009 4:31PM CST Sounds like the Gabbert's are both as true to their word as the real Tiger. Guess that's why one is at Mizzou and the other will probably go there as well.

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 4:31PM CST But don't worry TimBer, it won't be so much that Mizzery sucks, just the fact that our O and our D is that much more dominant and makes them look like they suck. Sometimes perception looks like reality, Mizzery loves company... when we make them look like they suck, you fans can go give them a group hug and tell them it will be ok. Tell them the Big Bad Mean Huskers didn't mean to make them feel so small. There there...don't cry now, it will be ok.....TimBer's here....shhhh, shhhh, shhhhhhhhh. That's it, here's a hanky..wipe those tears away....now turn that frown upside down mr...that's better, it's all better now, them Huskers are gone, they won't be scaring you anymore this year.

Posted by: Tice on December 9, 2009 4:32PM CST So...Is Tyler going to Mizzu? Do these guys have 2 or 3 years of eligibility left? It's nice that a fluke years for Mizzu is being up, and fluke years for NU is being down. Best of luck to both decoms, except if we see you on the field.

Posted by: DenverHusker on December 9, 2009 4:33PM CST So we have 16 recruits now. Are we going to have a class of around 18 this year?

Posted by: TimBe on December 9, 2009 4:34PM CST Suhforheisman: Thanks for being one of the few 'realistic NU fans' here. You're a credit to an otherwise delusional fanbase. rluben, Blackshirt, and others of your ilk: First and foremost, guys like Suh don't grow on trees and there effectiveness is rarely duplicated on the field. Second, your offense has sucked for much longer than the last few weeks, it's been horrible against just about every legit d-1 team you've faced this season. Third, the fact that it took Watson, Bo, or any other NU coaches that long to figure out that they didn't have the proper personnel for what they were running should frighten the hell out of you! Fourth, there's a reason why players, bluechips especially, are leaving a once proud program. Spit all the venom you want at me, the real targets of your criticism make a ton of money per year and reside in Lincoln. As for not knowing anything about football, well, I haven't accused anyone here of that. But, rluben's last comment, and a couple of others' lend some credence to the phrase, 'punch-drunk'.

Posted by: salmon_slayer63 on December 9, 2009 4:36PM CST I 4 one never believed we should have recuited the younger Gabbert. There was no better then a 50/50 chance of him actually showing up in Lincoln IMHO. I am also not sure what we have in QB's right now, cause Lee isn't the answer unless he grows up between now and next Sept. Same statement can be made about Cody. Now getting some O-line help is always welcome. The RB situation is in pretty good shape. I also believe that the D-line will be pretty good next year. It is absolutely true that nobody and I mean nobody can replace SUH! The question is can they get enough help from other areas to compensate for what SUH gave us. I expect that the D will be pretty good. How good? I wouldn't doubt that as long as Bo and Co. are here we are top 20. So having any offense at will make us 9+ wins easily. Yes that includes beating Misery on a yearly basis.

Posted by: huskers4_eva on December 9, 2009 4:39PM CST Out of the five offensive coaches we have, there are only two that i like. Beck - RBs, and Brown - TE's. What i'm saying is Cotton, Gilmore, and Watson have coached their last seasons at Nebraska if i had any say in it. Lets bring in Scott Frost to do some coaching. lol j/k but not really.

Posted by: PlyNeb on December 9, 2009 4:40PM CST TimBer Do Sean Witherspoon's and Danerio Alexander's grow on trees? They are gone next year too. Guess you won't miss them.

Posted by: Outside The Box on December 9, 2009 4:40PM CST It makes sense for little Gab to go to Columbia. As much as MU struggled when big Gab was hurt, it's obvious they didn't have anyone else at QB. The consensus here is if the O can be drawn to the strengths of C. Green, we should be in good shape.

Posted by: huskers4_eva on December 9, 2009 4:45PM CST TimBe, Suh is a great player, the best i've ever seen on the Defensive Line. But your making our defense sound like its gonna drop to the 50's in total defense next year. Next year, we will still be at least a top 20 defense, if not top 10. Guarantee. I drool at all the defensive players we're gonna have next year and the coaches we have coaching them. Offensively. I'm not gonna lie, we have issues there. But like i said, how can it get any worse than it already is. But it might. Just need to get rid of a few things and we'll be on track for the most part.

Posted by: Tice on December 9, 2009 4:46PM CST Why do you say it took them awhile to figure it out? We whipped the SunBelt which did give a false sense of security and it took a few games after that before you start to see that the solid opening month was due to the quality of opponent...but what do you do after that? You can't just go out and pick up a new player or throw out everything you've been working on for the last few years. They gave the younger guys reps, tried changing some schemes and it just hasn't clicked. It's not like they just kept banging their heads against a wall running the same plays as weeks 1-7. I can see though, from the outside looking in, not really knowing why we are doing what we do why their would be some concern about playing for NU's O but if one has been paying attention they would know why we're at where we are and that it won't last long.

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 4:47PM CST What TimBer, Suh didn't come from a tree? Does that mean Santa won't be bringing me the Suh tree I asked for? Yeah we know he's a once in a generation type of talent, we are saying that collectively the entire D will be better, not that any one individual will be better than Suh.

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 4:49PM CST Crap, now I have to rewrite my Christmas wish list and hope it gets to the North pole in time. Thanks TimBer, I'm sad now.

Posted by: huskers4_eva on December 9, 2009 4:50PM CST Whats Scott Frost doing these days?

Posted by: Outside The Box on December 9, 2009 4:50PM CST TimBe - doesn't it scare you a little to know that even with a gawd-awful, play not to lose offense NU was 0:01 away from beating Texas for the conf title? Assuming a (very modest) 25% improvement on O and a 25% decline on D (Suh and Dillard), NU will be a BIG favorite to get back to Dallas, and possibly win the whole thing. If I were a fan of MU, KSU, ISU, KU, or CU that would scare me to death.

Posted by: Tice on December 9, 2009 4:51PM CST Suh needs to start cranking out Husker babies.

Posted by: Outside The Box on December 9, 2009 4:53PM CST Frost is at OU. His duties include keeping RBs from killing Boise St. fans.

Posted by: WyHuskerFan on December 9, 2009 4:53PM CST I can see this offense going back to the triple option and power sets that will need dual threat, big bodied QBs to run it. Tyler didn't fit that mold and he probably saw the writing on the wall. If that's the direction we go, Washington and Green should work out well, however Lee will be on the sidelines watching unless he makes major strides in the off season. Who they fill the remaining spots with should give us a hint at which way the coaching staff is leaning.

Posted by: huskers4_eva on December 9, 2009 4:54PM CST rluben, this Timbe guy is gonna be biting his tongue when Nebraska gets Owa on our recruit list. It'll be christmas in January.

Posted by: WyHuskerFan on December 9, 2009 4:55PM CST OTB, When did Frost leave Oregon to go to OU? I could have swore he was on the sidelines in the game against the Beavers.

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 4:57PM CST Scott's restraining RB's who are auditioning for fists of fury 3. When that's not occupying his time, he's teaching kids the Husker formula of how to play with attitude, passion and explosiveness. I forget which position he coaches there at Oregon though...I don't think it's QB, I want to say receivers but not sure. I've been focused on Suh trees for Christmas and all else was pushed to the side.

Posted by: SteveTa on December 9, 2009 4:58PM CST Timbe, One poor year and you think the wheels are off the program? There are problems for sure but they are as usual fixable. I predict Cody Green will start next year and LW/Martinez will beat out Lee for the back up. Helu and Burkhead will be bashing and slashing for a grand each. OL will get on track as well w/Siles/Ash/Qvale bet on it.

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 5:03PM CST lol TimBer's just having some fun, those other goofball North fans love to come around and talk some smack whenever a little weakness is shown by the Huskers. They always slink away at some point with a tail tucked, licking some wounds. I'm sure we will see many like him this off season talking nonsense, just praying they are even close to being right.....all the while knowing what's up and that they are back to being who they are while we are on our way back to being who were. Sucks to be them, they know it and they know we know it, know what I mean?

Posted by: Ender on December 9, 2009 5:03PM CST Im not real sure what TimBe is trying to prove. He is right about some things. Our offense is dreadful, no argument there. I'm not sure what blogs you were reading about where husker fans were praising little Gabbert, I've heard this blog complain more about him than any (turns out to be justified too). As for the defense, I think you're mistaken. Suh will be an enormous loss for sure, and most likely we will be slightly worse off because of it. But I don't foresee us being much worse. We've got a lot of young talent with a great defensive coaching scheme. As for coaching, yes the offense struggled finding a mentality but I'd say our accomplishments speak for themselves this year. Back to back 9 win seasons (maybe 10 win) and 1 second away from beating the national title contender and making it to a BCS game. Are you trying to make yourself feel better about your program by trying to take shots about how we're going to go down the tube? Or why are you even on this board?

Posted by: PlyNeb on December 9, 2009 5:11PM CST Ender Proly on here cause he thinks the two decommits will become Mizzou commits. Rluben Do you think Scott Frost might be a good fit as QB coach in the post Watson regime?

Posted by: TimBe on December 9, 2009 5:18PM CST Outside the box: Good question. My response, no. As I stated earlier, the big 12 was down, overall, this year. NU had an extremely dominating defense this year, it's what kept them in games when their offense was inept. Tice: I'll say this much..having watched the Huskers almost as much as my Tigers, I thought that Green should've been thrown in for the remainder of the season in a more option/play-action type of offense. That would've been better than watching Lee trying to run the zone-read, or pointlessly hit OPEN receivers. Wouldn't you agree? Going back and forth between 2 quarterbacks rarely works. It says, "We're not sure what we have, so we're just hoping for the best." In regards to the NU defense, I'm not saying they won't be any good in the near future, just not as dominant as this season's defense. The Pelini's are great defensive coaches, offensively not so much. PlyNeb: Not sure, there's no Witherspoon or Denario that played for MU this season. But, Weatherspoon and Danario will be missed. Suh's in a different category than those guys, though. With Suh, you're talking about one of the best at his position in the history of the game, not just NU history. He'll be missed more. And really, when it comes to offense MU is in a much better place than NU. We know who we are, and what we want to do on offense. We have continuity on offense, NU doesn't. Therefore, w/out a legit offense NU will need a dominant defense if they wanna win any titles next season. I will say this, not many teams that run the option all day have a realistic shot at winning a national title. They can be good, but great is tougher. One of the main reasons coaches sprinkle it in as opposed to making it their staple is due to the overall athleticism of college football players today. Defenders are too fast and strong to run the ball in that fashion. Defenses aren't kept honest enough once you start facing teams with elite athletes. Some option is ok, but Watson and company better be able to stretch the field as well. Look at how MU's mediocre defense, and others, shut down your running game. Better be able to do some of both or titles aren't in the cards. I should know, at MU our issues are opposite of yours, great offense, bad defense. Bad secondary and inconsistent pass rush. Good luck against Zona, better not sleep on those guys.

Posted by: Sam G. on December 9, 2009 5:25PM CST NU can beat Arizona. And will be Missou next year. NU's defense will be just as good if not better next year. Yes, Suh is a beast, a "once in a lifetime" player says the Mizery fan. But just because he's gone, does that mean the defense will automatically become nothing? That's what he seems to be saying. I watched every game this year and there already wasn't much of a drop-off when Suh took a break on the sideline.

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 5:26PM CST PLyNeb, Frost would be a good get if Watson stuck around too, but you can only have so many on staff. I'd love to have him back home though, that'd be sweet. It'd be nice to see him bring some of that Oregon O's playbook with him too for sure.

Posted by: PlyNeb on December 9, 2009 5:30PM CST TimBer While NU's defense might not be as dominant next year as it was this year, the offense almost has to be better--can't get worse. Also the game is in Lincoln. And when we go back to Columbia, sounds like Big Gabbert will be gone. My apologies if I misspelled Blaine's name.

Posted by: PlyNeb on December 9, 2009 5:34PM CST RLuben Was actually hoping to see both Watson and Gilmore gone. Maybe let Frost coach QB's and TE's and move Ron Brown back to wideouts. Not sure who would be the OC, though.

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 5:34PM CST ummm ok, tell GT it doesn't work. Lead the nation in pass plays over 35 yards from their option attack. Nice theory though, doesn't matter if a D loads up to stop the run and sells out to stop it, if you can prevent them from run blitzing gaps and getting into the backfield to disrupt play and can get guys blocked you're golden. If the D doesn't play sound assignment ball and pays any attention to the fakes they are in for a long day. Only a very, very good D can totally shut a well executed option down, any O coordinator who knows what he's doing can and will use a D's speed, pursuit to the ball and over commitment to s top the run against them. Play actions, counter actions, misdirection, that D better hope it has superior athletes or they are in for a very long day against a coordinator who knows his stuff.

Posted by: TimBe on December 9, 2009 5:37PM CST I'm on this board because I'm a St. Louisan, I know the Gabberts, and some of the attacks I've read here have a personal tone, as opposed to just a football tone. It's also a free country the last time I checked. Believe you me, we get plenty of NU fans posting on MU sites as well. Get over it. I'd venture to say that some of the chaos that was present near the end of the Callahan regime appears to have resurfaced with the current NU offense. I'm pretty sure that Tyler, Carter, and other kids that have left NU for other schools for what they believe to be solid reasons. Bashing them because they change their minds is self-serving and ignorant. Heck, MU missed out on two bluechips in their backyard of Columbia. Chase Rome, who wasn't a Missouri kid, ended up passing on MU and OSU, and chose you guys. And, Trey Millard passed on MU and others to play at OU. It happens guys, deal with it. But, instead of slamming the kids, or calling them soft or anything less than gentlemen is juvenile. Like I said earlier, look at the staff and what they're doing. It's not like the Gabberts and Carter are the only kids to have backed out of verbal comittments to NU. Get a grip. Nebraska is a decent football program, but it's FAR from the 'best game in town' at this point. The past is just that, in the past.

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 5:47PM CST I could show you at least 10-15 plays agaisnt TX where if the backside TE would have gotten a seal block on the End the entire backside edge was open to exploit with a counter action play. Let me explain counter action steps...the backs take a step or 2 one direction while the QB also opens up from center (if under center) that direction too, then the play goes back the other way. Anyone with access to ESPN360 watch some of the lead back running plays and tell me that backside outside edge isn't open for big yards, heck even without counter action if the tailback had seen it was open could have bounced it back and outside and beat the end to the edge even if the TE didn't get him sealed. The ends were crashing inside, woulda been an easy as hell block to make if they actually would have made some adjustments and seen it was there for the taking. I also would have adjusted to the technique TX was using to submarine the lead back, that's easy to adjust to, goofball was just ataking himself out of the play, but our coches never made an adjustment. I also would have made anyone who did that pay with a concussion myself, but that's me, I wouldn't ask my players to do what I'd do. I always gave morons like that a real nice knee to the noggin, on their way down, or helmet to helmeted them always winning that battle or I pushed them into the ground and gave them a knee to the middle of their back...trust me the punks wouldn't be going for my knees again.

Posted by: bruNo on December 9, 2009 5:52PM CST Porbably ok that Gabbt Lite decommited since he's only 6' tall and our line is looking like it is going to average around 6'6". Gabby too short to see over them.

Posted by: Ender on December 9, 2009 5:55PM CST Your last few comments TimBe have been more spot on and less 'hater' sounding. I guess we differ on where we each see the program going. We see our offense as being able to be fixed by next year, you don't seem to think so. I can understand wanting to defend Tyler if that is your true reason for being here. I played college soccer, and I was planning on going to one school but ultimately switched due to some personal reasons. I had nothing but good things to say about the first one, it just wasnt going to be right for me once the time actually came, and I'm sure thats what Tyler is feeling. Best of luck to the kid (when he's not playing us anyway).

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 6:00PM CST Actually the easiest way to make the goofball pay is have your lead blocker beat him to the punch and cut him with power and explosiveness...the dude would regret listening to his coach to submarine while he is recovering on the sideline. Then later I'd change up the up front scheme, have someone on the line slide over and kick the end , CB or safety out if they were up on the end in run support and have the lead back fill and take on the guy the O line left unblocked. If my FB can't take on a DT I don't want him on the field...because he's limiting me in what I can do assignment wise if I need to mix things up.

Posted by: TimBe on December 9, 2009 6:00PM CST rluben: I said you can be very good with that offense, but not great. It's very tough to win a national title with that type of offense these days, against ELITE DEFENSES. (Reference OUvs.Miami in the 80's) "If you can prevent them from run blitzing gaps and getting into the backfield to disrupt play and can get guys blocked you're golden"...... Wouldn't that apply to just about ANY offense??? In fact, you say that as if it's easy or a foregone conclusion. Hah! Well, OBVIOUSLY NU had major trouble with all of that in this year's running game/offense. "Only a very, very good D can totally shut a well executed option down"...... Or, perhaps a very good offensive line can counter that very good defensive line? That's probably NU's biggest problem....Bad o-line play. Lots of teams run some of that stuff, but they do it w/in the confines of spread formations. IMHO, these days, a dual-threat qb, to go along with that great o-line, is almost a prerequisite to winning a national title. You guys don't have either. Some of us do, however. NU needs to catch up on offense. Despite a great defense, you still gotta score points to win a game. Didn't you learn that in the UT game?

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 6:05PM CST And I'd let my linemen make their own calls on who they'd be blocking pre snap once in awhile if noise level allowed it and my QB call an audible at the line if he saw something to be exploited. All things we don't seem to do much of for whatever goofy reasons.

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 6:10PM CST Yep they sure did, but the coaches aren't on the same page yet, it's totally new stuff to Watson. I don't want option football exclusively, just as part of the package, more than it is now, less than what GT does. I think we will end up being able to do many things good, and a few things great out of multiple formations and sets. Not just the power game, but it won't happen overnight...it might look a little anemic until about midseason next year on O. We will see.

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 6:18PM CST Not sure what your point is, many of us do feel our O line underachieved and needs to get better for sure, that was more than obvious against TX, and really all year. But in their defense there are some things like fairly simple adjustments that could have and should have been made in game and at half that would have helped them out some. Don't discount the fact they are being asked to do things totally different upfront than they were being asked to do in Spring ball and Fall camp, it's a learnign process for the O lineman along with every other postion on O. Hell, Hellu had never ran behind a lead blocker EVER before the Iowa St game I think it was, maybe TX Tech. He didn't know how to read a lead blockers block or how or what he as a ball carrier can do to set up the block and dictate a little as to where the opening will be...he will learn as he goes.

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 6:21PM CST It's cool TimBe, I was just messing with ya earlier, having some fun. I actually think Mizzou will continue to be tough to play and will play us tough like they alwasy do. Fun games over the years.

Posted by: kccornhead on December 9, 2009 6:34PM CST Not suprised at all about gabbert. I actually would have been more suprised if he would have kept his commitment. Isnt Wats a friend of the gabbert family and neither kid would play for him. Somethings wrong there.

Posted by: TimBe on December 9, 2009 6:41PM CST rluben: Yep, good stuff. I was visiting my parents a few days ago and while rustling through old picture albums.....I saw a picture of me playing ping-pong at a relative's home while wearing a Nebraska football t-shirt. My siblings and I grew up supporting 2 football teams in my family's house, MU and NU. I've grown to dislike NU over the years due to how the program was being mismanaged, and the pervasive attitudes of some of today's NU fans. Not all are bad fans, but enough to turn me off. I still follow the Big Red a lot, more out spite than support, I guess. But, coming on here and having great discussions about NU football, (I come here to talk NU not MU, despite what some may think.), is enjoyable. Thanks for humoring me today. I'm sure I'll be posting here in the future.

Posted by: rluben on December 9, 2009 8:53PM CST You were a good sport TimBe, kinda nice to have someone around that isn't a koolaid drinker, has a sense of humor and keeps it pretty civil. Ahh the ping pong days...had many a battle in the basement with my brothers. Have a good one.

Posted by: Tice on December 10, 2009 9:48AM CST Wow MU fan saying NU fans have pervasive attitudes...that's especially funny bc I was always fo MU as I have a lot of family in Missouri...until they a few good years and all the jerk fans came out of the woodwork. I do not include Timbe in the jerk fan category but we have seen plenty. Best of luck!