Life in the Red Group

Posted by: nipper on October 12, 2009 12:48PM CST Dan Hawkins was "unavailable" ? Talking to movers ?

Posted by: BearsBeatPackers on October 12, 2009 12:48PM CST BAM! Unavailable eh? I guess he didn't want to get asked about that 10 win season again.

Posted by: SoDakHusker on October 12, 2009 12:48PM CST Both teams played in the muck...advantage goes to no one. No excuses.

Posted by: NishBigRed on October 12, 2009 12:50PM CST Bam, Bo Knows weather. He right, it was a level playing field. Actually, I think the weather was an advantage for the Husker defense. GO BIG RED!

Posted by: SoDakHusker on October 12, 2009 12:51PM CST I heard Hawkins was recruiting the campus intramural championships, brotha.

Posted by: BleedingRed on October 12, 2009 12:53PM CST I assume that the Hawks center has proper drainage. Get the hose out for practice. Heck, it might even be fun.

Posted by: drivebyposter on October 12, 2009 12:54PM CST Hawkins could not bear the questions as to why after all this time, Cody was put in the position he will fulfill the best. Back up QB.

Posted by: charger on October 12, 2009 12:56PM CST Yes we should/must practice in all weather conditions. Just another lesson learned. Corrections are on the way. Never fear just BOlieve. GBR

Posted by: Inbread on October 12, 2009 1:11PM CST Well Hawk was at home getting yelled at by his wife for benching her baby, what did you guys expect. I mean Texas napped until the second quarter, and sCUm still had no shot what so ever.

Posted by: Doc_Husker on October 12, 2009 1:13PM CST I saw an article that said in order for Colorado to reach their goal of 10 wins, they need to win the rest of their regular season games, the Big 12 Championship Game, and a bowl game. Good luck boys!!

Posted by: Inbread on October 12, 2009 1:24PM CST sCUm's only hopes of W's the rest of the season, are probably KSU, and ISU. Or upsetting NU, because they live for that one game every year.

Posted by: WyHuskerFan on October 12, 2009 1:26PM CST Granted both teams play in the same conditions, but do they practice for those conditions in the same manner. One would have to wonder why MU didn't seem as affected by the weather as the Huskers did. Gabbert was ineffective because of pressure while Lee was off target or our guys just dropped the ball. We were very fortunate on our special team blunders. Weather looks decent for this Saturday.

Posted by: muddyHanes on October 12, 2009 1:34PM CST I hope Hawkins never loses his job. You have to credit Misery's defense for some of NU's offensive woes. Quit worrying about stats and worry about the score. We have Tech coming up and they put up 420 pass yards against Texas.......and they lost. I bet they would have killed to look crappy in a win.

Posted by: Bumarooskie on October 12, 2009 1:34PM CST I wouldn't bet against Iowa State when CU plays them. They gave Kansas about all they wanted and played every snap of the game.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 1:38PM CST I don't think Hawkins can lose his job. At least not this year. That Athletic Dept is deep in debt and they're trying to build a basketball practice facility. Plus they're still paying off Barnett. So some booster with reeeeeally deep pockets will have to step up if they want to eject him from campus.

Posted by: WyHuskerFan on October 12, 2009 1:39PM CST KOA out of Denver has the best sports radio so we listen to it all the time. Today was the first time I've ever heard local sports guys calling for Hawkins departure. Boulder is not a good sports town, but Denver is fanatical, just ask BigRedGlory. I can't see him (Hawkins) surviving this year unless CU alumni can't come up with the funds to dismiss him. 3 million is the figure thrown around which is some serious coin so you know he won't just walk away. Buffs may take KSU buy I think ISU will handle them. Regardless they will take a severe beatdown when the Huskers arrive. I got my tickets from a friend who is a big CU booster and has already given up on the season and Hawk. Gonna be fun!

Posted by: Turner Dave on October 12, 2009 1:39PM CST Charger I must agree corrections are on the way. I hate to be the one to get this started but Zac Lee could not hit the broad side of a f#$@&!$ barn,I would have to say if he doesn't start good agaist TT we will see Green in to" let Lee see the defense frome the side line"

Posted by: WyHuskerFan on October 12, 2009 1:46PM CST 7 of 8 with 3 TDs in the fourth qtr when it mattered. Had 4 dropped passes before that. My only question about Lee is we heard he was more athletic than Ganz but he doesn't run even when there's good opportunity.

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 1:55PM CST WyH What is he being coached to do....run as a last resort? Everyone thinks Lee was awful at VT he responded by having a great game against ASU, the same team that gave Iowa all they wanted. I can't wait to see how Lee responds this week....he is a good QB....and he'll prove it!

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 1:57PM CST Yep LCH, I tend to agree with you. I'm still a little perplexed by Lee but I am still behind him.

Posted by: otto on October 12, 2009 1:58PM CST Weather should not be an excuse. Maybe a reason could be made for execution of disired way of playing. TO years ago made a statement that the Big 8 wouldn't be won on a passing attack team. Oct and Nov weather (blizzards, cold rain) conditions. Today with the modern special offenses, it still takes the "BEST" offense excution of the "miserable" day to succeed, be it end over end passing, slip-shlod running or fumble-bumble scoring. Just as long as the Coach says it was a special play thought up for just the right condition of the game plan.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 2:02PM CST Low... Agreed. The only thing that we lost from Joe to Zac that has me slightly concerned (and this has a lot to do with the receivers that have moved on as well) is that we don't have that ability to dink and dunk, thus grinding out huge time-eating drives. That offense was our best defense.

Posted by: charger on October 12, 2009 2:04PM CST My boys & i were watching the game Thursday, they both play football & told me that Zac was overthrowing the ball because it was slipping out of his hand. (which we all knew that) And when he put the ball were he was suppose to the receiver dropped it. The drops & poor route running led to the younger guys getting in. Having said that i look for Zac to play well on Saturday. Look for better routes ect. If the plays are ran the way they are suppose to be then the OC looks like a genius. If not most people will say he sucks. WYhusker i believe that that would rather see Zac throw the ball away rather than tuck it & run. Pass first run later.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 2:05PM CST I mean, Joey might not have been able to throw a ball 25 yards, but he was consistent as heck in that short game.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 2:05PM CST SG, that has me perplexed as well. We should still have that ability, you don't need great receivers for that but we haven't really gone down that path yet. Maybe they are holding that back or just didn't want to take the chance in the bad weather with a ball slipping out.

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 2:07PM CST SG Do you think it is a talent (experience) issue or a philosophy change since they know the Defense can hold their own unlike last year. Maybe Wats is just trying to evolve this offense to a vertical threat since he knows the defense can get the ball back and give him a chance for points...just a thought I'm prolly still full of crap from yesterday LOL

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 2:10PM CST I made this comment the other day and not much was said about it, a few characterized it as a kool-aid excuse which it is not, so I let it go. I'll say it again today...I am betting that Lee's hands aren't very big, or smallish, because he did have major grip problems at times. We use the same game ball that they do and it is not an easy ball to deal with when wet if your hands are smallish. Just a thought.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 2:12PM CST charger... Exactly. I've said just that a few times in the past couple days. I think there were a lot of factors at play (throw a bit of O-Line protection in there as well). I wasn't sure about the route running (because really how can you be certain), but I thought that might be a contributor also. And when I saw the reserve WRs come in, it really set off the flashing lights. I'm one that's far from putting the performance Thursday solely on Zac's shoulders. I think he can turn out to be a great QB here.

Posted by: MileHiHusker on October 12, 2009 2:12PM CST Lee did have a handfull of crappy off the mark passes. It also seemed to me that our receiveres can't get separation. Does NU have slower receivers than most big 12 teams?

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 2:13PM CST LCH, was that you that was full of crap yesterday? Or, I guess that could be a permanent condition. My wife says mine is permanent.

Posted by: throw46 on October 12, 2009 2:13PM CST charger....if that's the case with Le and the ball being slippery, which we know it was how does that coincide with the V tech game? Lee had the same kind of problem there.

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 2:14PM CST Well I guess it's time to start practicing with the sprinklers on. I thought Zac did okay considering all factors.....Green might of been better.....but how can you actually improve on winning by 15? I can't wait to see what this team can do against a prolific offense like TT.....should be a great game!

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 2:16PM CST GBR Actually there was so much crap being fed to us yesterday I'm still burping LOL

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 2:17PM CST It's really kind of hard to tell if the route running is bad when we don't know what the particular route was supposed to be in the first place. There's also the route reads that come with the spread, so it's possible that balls were thrown where the receiver should have been based on the read but either misread or didn't get a read at all. Lots of variables and most of them make the QB look bad when they show up.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 2:20PM CST I am with ya LCH. It wasn't pretty, really don't like it when that happens.

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 2:22PM CST Throw Something I noticed in the VT and Mizzery game the line on Zac's blind side had trouble handling there assignments 100% of the time. Alot of factors go into why Zac was off and Zac doesn't have control over most of them.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 2:24PM CST GBRT/Low... Wow. Yeah. I think it's hard to say really. It could be a philosophy change. Or ya know, what if it's just that on first down, the short pass isn't getting completed? Then you're set up a little differently than you would've liked.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 2:27PM CST About the VT game and passes being off target...I see the VT game and the Misery game as two completely different situations. I see the Misery game as being weather related, but the VT game I think was a completely different set of circumstances. I think it was PT who brought it up first, but I believe that it is very possible that the big stage got to Zac Lee. Not in the way many might be thinking, but rather him taking the attitude that he had to be great for us to win and put the entire game on his shoulders. I feel like he pressed too hard to be too perfect and forced himself into bad throws. I was hard on him after that game but I have come to the realization that this is the most probable possibility. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 2:28PM CST Correct me if I am wrong but almost every route is a timing route? If that's the case any delay in releasing the ball or if the receiver is slow on his break results in either a ball thrown behind or what appears to be overthrown ball. There was alot of holding the receiver on Thursday.....the TE catch in the 4th made that very evident, Zac chose to wait until the last possible second to release that ball and that's why it went for a TD. JMHO

Posted by: charger on October 12, 2009 2:29PM CST throw46 If we stop & think there were at least 4 dropped balls in that game also. Zac maned up and said that he needed to slow down & let the game come to him. He admitted that he was rushing. In the scoring explosing in the 4 qtr he was 5 out 6 with 3 tds. not bad.

Posted by: taco on October 12, 2009 2:29PM CST Bo just might have overhead sprinklers, snow, fog and wind machines installed inside the indoor practice field. better to be prepared. BLOW BIG RAIN.

Posted by: PT Husker on October 12, 2009 2:31PM CST Coach. I sent you a message. We have established the TT has a decent run defense against admittedly soft competition. Wyo stated their SOS is like 103 or something. What about their pass D. Cause, unfortunately, unless something changes drasticly, we ain't gonna run it effectively. (sorry old school huskers like myself, but I just don't see it.)

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 2:32PM CST The short passing game is an extension of the running game in this offense. Not being able to complete them has more to do with not being on the same page than inaccuracy most probably. The other thing I might bring up is the receivers that are playing now seem to be "cradlers" or guys the let the ball into their body and cradle it. To be effective in this offense receivers need to be able to catch the ball with their hands. I know it sounds trivial but it is a major factor.

Posted by: Ender on October 12, 2009 2:33PM CST Hey fellas, I was taking a look at the power rankings.. take a gander at how highly rated we are in them.... http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/powerRankings

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 2:34PM CST GBRT... Yeah, Zac could have smallish hands. But really, the common factor for both those games was that it was on the road, hostile environments, and the D was cranked up. Zac got rushed quite a bit in both games. The secondaries were pretty damn solid in both games. And we can say "It's ZL's first two road games" but really that could be said for several kids on the offense. Players that have a hand in the success of the passing game. I guess I'm just not ready to say "Zac Lee can't get it done on the road against a top team" (and I know you're not either GBR, ya know, just sayin'). When we go to KU and can't get it done, then I'll be concerned that there's a serious issue somewhere.

Posted by: charger on October 12, 2009 2:38PM CST GBR You are correct. The announcers on the game were talking about that also "Right through the bread basket". The MU receivers were grabbing the ball. I would hope they work on that this week.

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 2:40PM CST Remember last year at this time most were calling for Wats and Joey's head after the Mizzery debacle....I recall also having great concern about the defense. After that game the Team solidified and became very good. My point is I think we are going to witness a similar scenerio....IMO this team is already pretty good so when they put it all together how great are they going to be.....should be a blast to watch how far this team can go

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 2:40PM CST LCH, actually the TE throw in the 4th wasn't part of the timing throws of the spread. It was an old, very effective play action pass play from the 'I' formation where the playside TE blocks frontside and then releases to the backside flat. That play is open 99% of the time. The problem with it was McNeill held the block too long and Zac almost ran out of time to get it off. Other than holding the block too long it was well executed. We ran that alot years ago.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 2:41PM CST PT, going to look for the message now.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 2:42PM CST PT... You have little faith in Roy! I have to maybe point out that my man did have a pretty stellar day against a stout VaTech defense (ranked #48 against the run even with our game in there). I'm hoping the slow goings on Thursday had more to do with an amped-up rivalry defense, the weather, and Roy being hit with a virus.

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 2:42PM CST GBRT Got it thanks for the clarification

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 2:46PM CST GBRT.. I think we (maybe) agree on what the issue is in the short game. If I really had to put it on somebody I'd say it's the WRs. I just really don't think the guys we have in there are as focused and structured like Swift and Petersen were. There's too many of half-hearted attempts to go get the ball. Don't get me wrong, they can all (it seems) go out ant make a huge play, but they don't seem as concerned about the little plays.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 2:51PM CST It's in the mail PT.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 3:01PM CST Well boys, here's the other thing. Sometimes you just have to give the opponent a little credit too. Prior to the Misery game I was calling for press coverage and disruption of the timing of their spread passing game and am calling for it again vs. TT. Guess what? Our opponents are saying and doing the same thing with us. They have to do all they can do to disrupt our timing as well. That is why you have to stretch the field from time to time to make people play honest. We didn't really do that Thursday until the first TD pass and I'm sure that that had to do with the weather and the wet football. But, it had to be done. When it was Paul showed up big.

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 3:04PM CST BRG Do you agree that if it was left up to the voters alone that NU would get no serious looks as a NC contender? I'm sure if they win out they will be high up in the ranking but as long as there are 1 loss teams from the PAC 10 and SEC NU will struggle to get the respect they deserve. Doesn't me I don't believe they are capable of winning out, but unfortunately under this current system I could see them getting the same treatment as Kansas a couple years ago....this current system sucks but as long as the Huskers continue to win who knows maybe all voters will start to act like Fox sports...time will tell.

Posted by: Huskerzone on October 12, 2009 3:04PM CST Just up. Foxsports will broadcast the NU-ISU game at 11:30 when they play. I don't like the time. We seem to have problems actually waking up to play the game when it starts that early. Witness last years 11:30 game against SJ St?

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 3:08PM CST GBR - Didn't you mean to say that McNeil got HELD too long before he released on that TE TD? Just my two cents on Zac here, but I don't think we've seen 75% of what he's capable of. He had some drops and the timing was off and of course he had some bad throws. What QB doesn't have those problems. Give this guy the next opponent and cut him loss to run a little more. I think they've kept him from running by design. They know what they have in him and they don't want him getting hurt. Bring on the next victim! Go Big Red!

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 3:12PM CST I'd love to play Bama. They have a great team with true NFL caliber talent all over the d.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 3:14PM CST Tommy OC, that is a possibility, both are possibilities. I didn't look at the replay to see if he was being held there, but it's possible. Usually they either leave the block too early, or they hold the block too long if the play gets jacked up. Thankfully, he got loose in time whichever it was.

Posted by: PT Husker on October 12, 2009 3:15PM CST SG. We were able to run against VT, IMO becasue the played us honest. Even the sun belt teams stacked the box and we threw against them and it seemed to me we hqad trouble running. But that could be just taking what the gave us. Hope i am wrong against about the run against Teck. Or maybe Bo adn Wats will bring another blocker back to even up the numbers game a little.

Posted by: Robka on October 12, 2009 3:15PM CST BRG if any team wins the SEC or Big 12 with one loss than they will probably be playing in the BcS Championship game, so I agree that NU controls their own destiny. BO BIG RED!!!

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 3:16PM CST BRG You could be right all points except 1......SC will beat Alabama this week since they will be looking ahead to next week with TN....how's that for hopes LOL

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 3:16PM CST Tommy... About Zac not running. I thought that too during the play where it looked like he had a great opportunity to take off, decided against it, and stepped back across the LOS. It just seemed like he had that voice in his head "don't do it!" Perhaps it's really been drilled into the kid that he can't feed into (what might be) his natural "riverboat gambler" mentality.

Posted by: The Old Scout on October 12, 2009 3:18PM CST I like Bo's approach. Don't alibi! The Hawk is in big trouble no doubt. Both he and his kid are taking a lot of heat. I.m not a Buff fan but I'm not a hater either and it has to be tough to bench your own kid.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 3:19PM CST I think our defense would stone 'Bama. Those are high hopes and dreams and I too hope they will come true, but for now, I'll just take 'em one game at a time. I know it's cliche but my brain can't handle looking past what's standing in front of me waiting their turn. Again, I hope it happens but I don't like to talk about it. Kind of like putting the cart before the horse, since we're using cliches.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 3:21PM CST Was that a Robka sighting?

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 3:22PM CST Hey Old Scout... How much of that decision (starting or benching) falls on the OC (Helfrich before, now Kiesau)? I can't think that any coach with a son on his team would want anything to do with that decision either way.

Posted by: BenAr2 on October 12, 2009 3:23PM CST No excuses for how badly so many of the passes are off target. From what I've seen so far, I don't expect us to win this weekend if Mr. Lee is our QB. I hope the coaches just tell him to run if he breaks contain, or that they work a bunch on him throwing on the run. Like someone said, he can't hit the short passes, which means less moving the chains, which means our D will be on the field much more, which means they are going to get tired as hell. Unless our running game is sharp this week, or Lee can consistently hit the 10 to 15 yarders, I don't see us winning. I propose that our run game, and dink and dunk would be better with Green in there. Mr. Lee, please prove me wrong this weekend.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 3:25PM CST Old Scout and Sabado, if my wife sees your avatars I will be banned from the LITR!

Posted by: Wrestler on October 12, 2009 3:26PM CST Bama is the one team that can end Florida's reign as king of college football? Sorry but way UT played 2 halves one against Wyoming and Colorado I don't think their at same level as Florida and Bama this year? I think those two teams are a cut above everybody else? BRG and others I know you know Husker football but you don't know RRS between OU and UT as spouting off a UT win shows your lack of knowledge as anything goes in that game? UT had a joke of a nonconference schedule and with two weaker teams CU and Wyoming struggled in halves in those games as behind? UT even in TT game wasn't overwhelming so before you assume anything including NU and UT do you know sports? When you smugly think every game is going through the motions that's exactly when you get knocked down? Respect all which you're not doing? and Fear none! You don't stay with that motto you will get beat? Respect from voters is not what you need to worry about now? Respecting others is on Coach Bo's plate I can assure you? GBR! Zhou Da Hong! The lack of respect for others is classless! And reminds me more of Misery and Puffs fans perspective?

Posted by: charger on October 12, 2009 3:28PM CST BenAr2 Maybe you should find a new team.

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 3:29PM CST Yea I put a young lady in a NU bikini as an avatar and the avatar police banned it....glad I didn't put up my "good" ones

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 3:30PM CST Ben... You must have skipped a few posts where people were talking about the variety of factors that play into those passes being off. Don't you at least think it's feasible that if a WR isn't doing his job well, that it's not going to look bad for him, but his QB instead? Wasn't the fact that all of the starting WRs were benched at one point in the 3Q at least make you think it was a possibility that it was them not stepping up?

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 3:31PM CST Howdy Professor! Yep, throw out the records for the Red River Shootout. That's one of those that's all about what goes on that day between those two schools. NU/OU used to be that way. Anything can happen come Saturday. Nice to see Bradford come back and do well.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 3:33PM CST GBRT... Try this. Just run a piece of masking tape down the side of your monitor over the area where the avatars appear. Problem solved! She'll be none the wiser.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 3:33PM CST So, LCH you're trying to get me banned as well?

Posted by: Robka on October 12, 2009 3:34PM CST I think the same people that were booing Scott Frost are now on Mr. Lee's case. The backup is always better. And the coaches just start Zac to spite the armchair QB's. Get a grip people. Zac has proven he can put us in the position to win during 2 difficult road games, but that just isn't good enough. I think Zac will prove the coaches right here in the very near future. GO BIG ZAC!!!

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 3:35PM CST GBRT did I miss something?

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 3:35PM CST SG, tape down the side of the monitor won't draw any attention. Good idea, I think?

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 3:35PM CST I think Wrestler is ready for Saturday. There's no UT love there at all!

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 3:37PM CST Robka That same thought has been voiced several times over the past 4 days!

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 3:37PM CST Go Big Robka... What the hell are you talking about sir! Frankie London would've won us multiple NCs.

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 3:39PM CST Sabado - I replayed the game and specifically ran a lot of those drops and incompletions back a few times. I can tell you that there were problems with a whole lot more than Zac on all the misques. The play calling was basically taking what was being given and unfortunately for the offense, they we're able to take advantage of it for 3/4 of the game. That's what I saw, correct me if I'm wrong coaches.

Posted by: Robka on October 12, 2009 3:39PM CST LCH its good to hear there are more voices of reason out there;) BO BIG RED!!!

Posted by: Father of future Husker on October 12, 2009 3:39PM CST McNeil definitely got held on that TD pass. The reason why he was open is because that was the first time all game that we threw a pass when Lee lined up under center. I'll say it again, Watson needs to go play-action more when we line up under center, not just once a game in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: Wrestler on October 12, 2009 3:39PM CST OU is still a huge underdog with their rash of injuries to the offensive side. But your right over the years the nonstars step up to have big games. And a turn over or a mistake or two and the game can change on a dime? OU was controlling game last year and then injury to LB and whoa, game shifted completely to UT? So a key injury during course could change what if UT's QB suffered similar circumstances as Sam in BYU game, that would be all it would take to change outcome of game? So many variables to big games come into play? But this one both teams have athletes so anything goes thats for sure? I want to see a NU win Nov 7th if NU keeps winning for the greater good but never can accept a OU loss for 2 games UT and Okie Lite? Now I know how Busiekcreek felt the week before last weekend as the RRS does this to me sorry? GBRTX we will be on opposite sides for this one but it doesn't matter its teams we're rooting for not against one another? Hope its exciting for nation to see?

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 3:40PM CST I meant weren't able to take advantage of it, but you all knew that, right? LOL

Posted by: Trashman on October 12, 2009 3:40PM CST Robka I get what you're saying and I'm not ready to write Lee off yet. But I would argue that our defense put us in position to win the 2 difficult road games, it was whether the offense could finish it or not. (5 FGs vs 3 TDs difference between winning and losing)

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 3:41PM CST No LCH, just referring to your attempts to use your "good" avatars. The ones that sound like they would have surley gotten me banned.

Posted by: Father of future Husker on October 12, 2009 3:42PM CST TommyOC and other armchair coaches out there - watch the defense when Lee goes under center. It looks like to me that the LBs and Safeties are totally ignoring the possibility of pass and our running game has no chance. Anyone else notice this?

Posted by: Low Country Husker on October 12, 2009 3:43PM CST GBRT I don't know you may of thought it worth it....some great Husker pride out there LOL

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 3:44PM CST Sorry Tommy OC, stupid me did not record the game. I have no idea what I was thinking...no wait, obviously I wasn't thinking!

Posted by: Turner Dave on October 12, 2009 3:44PM CST Benar2.................Well said

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 3:46PM CST Trashman, it's a team game. Both offense and defense take credit for wins and loses. Coaches and players will tell you this is true. Zac gave all the credit to the defense, and the other players. I never heard him say he won the game, did you? Give the kid some credit, it's his 5th D-1 game for God sakes. I think he's doing a great job and will only get better. I would also like to see more play action. He does a nice job of using his pocket on those calls.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 3:49PM CST Tommy... I'm in your camp. And I think quite a few posting today see it that way as well. Man, after that game Thursday, while people were calling for Wats and Zac to be benched, I said that I didn't care what anyone thought, I still have a lot of confidence in what Lee brings to the table. He's my guy. I'm sticking with him. Also, like you said with the play calling (taking what we were given), I think Wats could very well have been calling a much better weather-related gameplan, but how are we to ever know for sure that those plays weren't being audibled out of, due to what the D showed us. I just think there's way too much hysteria over Zac and Wats so early on. It'll work itself out. We're gonna be like three little Fonzies here. And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda what's Fonzie like?

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 3:50PM CST Professor Wrestler, I don't root for Texas. Everyone else in my house does, but not me. Typically I just root for good football in the RRS and the winner to be the one that will best represent the Big XII later on.

Posted by: Wrestler on October 12, 2009 3:52PM CST I think TT challenges NU's defense to contain them and keep them from lighting the scoreboard if NU's offense comes alive and should as TT is not known for outstanding D's, but needs to score to reduce pressure to Husker's D? All of you want to support Lee and that is all and good? But positions in football do not have ownership rights? Sometime he has to step up to the plate in a pressure game one that is determined outcome on his play? If not sometime Green gets to show what he can do under those same circumstances? GBRTX in all your years of coaching all athletes perform well under pressure as opposed to easier games I think not? You know what I am talking about? Weather conditions other sets of circumstances whatever, and then there is the bottomline can he perform at high levels when needed the most? Time will tell but others need their chances to demonstrate these capabilities as well? GBR! Zhou Da Hong! I said what everybody else is dancing around and won't say?

Posted by: PT Husker on October 12, 2009 3:53PM CST Good point Tommy. Much better than in shotgun IMO.. He seems to get happy feet in the shotgun. But that is just me.

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 3:55PM CST I wasn't shocked at all to see al the hysteria over Zac and Wats. Huskerfans are hungry for glory again and they also have a hankerin for the running QB and the option play. I'm have to admit. I loved seeing Zac turn the corner on that option and take it 5 yards as well. :) This kid has some heart and he's only gonna get better. It's good to know we have so many talented coaches and players from the bleachers who are ready to bench the guy and put in a new OC, but what if they had put Cody in and he fumbled, or threw a pick, or whatever? I think we're in great shape right now and if we can take care of Tech, we'll all be feeling good and drinkin the kool aid waiting for the next game. I choose to enjoy the victory over Misery, but I did really look the game over from many angles to see where the issue were and I don't agree with a lot of people who feel the offense is totally ready for an overhaul. Especially considering the conditions they played in last Thursday.

Posted by: Wrestler on October 12, 2009 3:55PM CST GBRTX this year it should be UT then and so they can remain undefeated for upset with NU as BRG sees in Championship game is the best situation for Huskers? You know I know this but never never accept a OU defeat to UT, sorry on this one? GBR! Zhou Da Hong! Be like Busiekcreek accepting a defeat for her LSU team to the Gumps!

Posted by: Trashman on October 12, 2009 3:55PM CST Tommy I've not taken anything away from him or the team. "Doing a great job" may be a stretch for me in comparing Zac Lee, probably more like "fine" or "okay". It doesn't seem like we had to really look this way at Ganz, knew he had it in him even after a sub-par performance. I remember feeling very confident with him 5 games into his first season. BRG summed it up well on here. Very similiar to what many of us not quite on the "Lee bandwagon" yet have been saying. I said it on a previous blog, but why is everyone defending him so dramatically? I like the guy, he seems confident, but he was fighting for the No. 1 QB spot just like Spano and Witt. He wins it, struggles a little and we can't question some things were seeing? All I am saying in this TT game should tell us enough, and I hope he plays the game of his life leaving no doubts as to who owns the position.

Posted by: Trashman on October 12, 2009 3:58PM CST Sorry, *Ganz 5 games under his belt

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 4:00PM CST SG, pretty well said. That's the thing about the spread, alot gets changed at the line based upon what the defense lines up in. On top of that there will always be coverage reads for the receivers. The days of you run a post and you run a curl and you run an out are pretty much gone. Now it's if the safety does this you do this, etc. It's really difficult for any of us watching to really know exactly what's going on. Back in the day when a pass play was called there were many watching that knew what all the routes were because they were set in stone for that particular play, it's not that way today. It's like the OC for the Colts when asked about his play calling. He tells people that his play calls are just suggestions to Payton Manning because he changes more than 90% of them at the line.

Posted by: Wrestler on October 12, 2009 4:01PM CST Well put Trashman to achieve greatness in sports its earned not projected by fan's opinions? I hope he earns it as well but if not maybe someone else should have a try? Green would be my next choice for now? GBR! Zhou Da Hong! Sports only have ownership rights when you clearly establish that your the best through performances!

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 4:03PM CST Joe Ganz's fifth game in his "first season" was actually his eighth overall game. Zac Lee's had 5 games. Three games were against practice dummies. Give the kid some time to get up to speed. And again, like many others have been saying, there were PLENTY of other factors involved in those incompletions in both the Mizzou and VaTech game. If he would've struggled like this against the Sun Belt, or if he does against, say Iowa State at home, I'll then start to question his hold on the job.

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 4:04PM CST Trashman - Zac hasn't shown me that he'll throw the big pick 6's Joey threw yet either. I think he's a better QB that Joe, but hasn't reached that potential as of yet. We'll see if he can prove me right. I hope he does. Remember back to the overtime with TT and how Joey was trying to do too much? That cost us the game and Joe made quite a few boneheaded throws that cost us big time, so I'll just give this kid Zac Lee a little room to grow and hope he keeps developing into the QB I think he can be. If he throws starts throwing pick 6's, then I'll be the first one calling for Green to get some time. Actually, I've been saying for some time now that it would be a nice to see how Cody would preform under the pressure of the game being on the line. That is so much more of a true test of ability, than it is coming in when we're up by 30 points and the opponents defense is worn down.

Posted by: Wrestler on October 12, 2009 4:07PM CST BRG showing the respect for their capabilities and I think your humble assessment is right on for this game? Can't bank on inclement weather conditions for this one? And TT's offense is always predicated on big plays? So a sustained offense and scoring TD's will give us the game if offense struggles like 3 qtrs in Misery game will be intense for our Defense? So I agree with your thoughts entirely? GBR! Zhou Da Hong! Got to go and get ready for classes! We can't have a letdown from Misery victory as TT is too good not to play well, but I am confident Coach Bo will not allow this also!

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 4:08PM CST Well said Tommy OC, I'm in complete agreement.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 4:10PM CST Later Professor. Say hello to the GF in HK.

Posted by: PT Husker on October 12, 2009 4:10PM CST No question that Ganz had a gift for throwing on the run. And he usualy was squared up at realease. Zac is a much better "Pocket passer" And I am sorry but if we don't get the O line some help in blocking 8 or 9 guys, Zac is going to have to run. And that is what I would do to us until you prove me wrong. If we are gonna continue to run the spread and the shotgun then we better catch and throw ala Booger boy. and that to me means McNeil and Company. Or Legate and an H back for more blockers so we have time to get vertical.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 4:10PM CST Another thing at play, is that Ganz had several years on the the same unit with Swift and Petersen. They developed an excellent chemistry. I think it's pretty obvious that Lee and his WR corp just don't have that rapport as of yet.

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 4:12PM CST Good point SG.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 4:14PM CST Tommy.. That is so much more of a true test of ability, than it is coming in when we're up by 30 points and the opponents defense is worn down. Worn down and repping the Sun Belt.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 4:15PM CST Good point SG. That is more meaningful than most of what has been said. PT, I think you are right about that. Maybe we will see more motion being utilized to help position people in that area. Motion forces them to adjust to it which may slow them down a bit.

Posted by: PT Husker on October 12, 2009 4:16PM CST Our d will never let us get taken completely out of a ball game. TGech has not seen anything like it will see saturday. Not this year anyway. A 103 Strength of Schedule. I am kind of confident actually.

Posted by: Trashman on October 12, 2009 4:16PM CST Tommy I tried to update my 5 game thing with Joe, but anyway....Joe Ganz was throwing 6 picks to get us back into games or just in hopes of keeping us in games because our defense would regularly give up points. We needed a LOT of throwing to keep us in games and I definitely think the many INTs showed that. He made his share of mistakes, I agree. But Zac has the luxury of almost what I call "Trent Dilfering". I know it's cliche, but he can just manage the game and our defense will keep us in it 9 times out of 10. Hand off to Helu and make simple throws. Quite honestly, until the 4th qtr of Mizzou, he showed little ability to handle this task in his 2 biggest games. I understand it's only 2 games which is why I'm holding my breath for him. That small performance gives me a lot of hope for him, but nobody has watched him play without some doubts.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 4:18PM CST TGech? Teorgia Gech?

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 4:20PM CST TT struggled mightily at times vs. Houston both offensively and defensively. Houston's offense is more run-n-shoot than TT's. Houston ran the ball on them as well. Defensively Houston was able to get to the QB. We don't have to sack the TT QB but we do need to get hands on him and knock him around.

Posted by: Trashman on October 12, 2009 4:24PM CST Let it be known that I am not on here to bash the guy. I like Zac Lee just fine. I've just had a lot of reservations about what I'm seeing and I'm just not a big excuses/iffa/woulda/coulda guy. And if there's a guy behind someone who brings a little more to the table, then treat that position like you treat every other one on the team. Best one plays. Obviously that's still Lee, but it very well could change.

Posted by: PT Husker on October 12, 2009 4:25PM CST The G is for Gag.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 4:25PM CST "We don't have to sack the TT QB but we do need to get hands on him and knock him around." GBRT... I just consulted the Magic Eight Ball on that one. It's response, "Count on it".

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 4:27PM CST I honestly had the same feeling in the fourth quarter as I did in the first quarter. That we'd win the game. I don't know why, but I felt like the offense was gonna kick it into gear and for some reason they just clicked there after that TD to Niles. I'm sure it had a great deal to do with their defense playing shut down knock out football as well. I liked Ganz, but I must say, he always seem to think a lot more of his abilities than I did. He made a lot of bonehead plays, but he did a lot of great things as well. I never was one to sign up on that whole idea of him needing to be the starter, but it would have really helped him in the long run to have that extra time. Now we need to give Zac that time. If he ends up being the great leader of the next great Husker offense before this year is up, we'll all be thrilled, well at least most will be thrilled. Some will probably say, Cody could have been that much better if he'd have gotten his shot. LOL

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 4:34PM CST "I honestly had the same feeling in the fourth quarter as I did in the first quarter. That we'd win the game. I don't know why, but I felt like the offense was gonna kick it into gear and for some reason they just clicked there after that TD to Niles. " Tommy OC, I felt the same way but had a great deal of difficulty convincing quite a few on the game day thread to think the same way. A great many were in full and complete "panic mode." It was extremely difficult to deal with.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 4:34PM CST Tman... And if there's a guy behind someone who brings a little more to the table, then treat that position like you treat every other one on the team. Best one plays. How can you be so certain Green brings more to the table? Because he busted a long run against a tired, crappy team? I'm sure the kid will be a fine QB some day, but I'm just not buying into the hype right now. Like Robka said earlier in this thread, everyone loves the backup. But looking back on it, if TO would've listened to the peanut gallery, Frankie London would've been the starter during the '97 NC run. And the result would've been what?

Posted by: Trashman on October 12, 2009 4:35PM CST Tommy My question is what are we all missing that you're seeing in Lee as our QB? This blog has "no excuse" in the title so I kind of like that, but it seems most are talking about what's going wrong with the OL, why there's no chemistry with the WRs, the weather, tough crowds, small hands, etc. So what are the positives you're seeing outta Lee individually? And no "it's a team game stuff"....like duh!!!! :)

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 4:35PM CST SG, I need to look for my magic 8 ball.

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 4:39PM CST GBR - That is exactly why I put down the computer and focused my attention to the game. I didn't need any distractions while watching my Huskers get into monsoon kick a$$ mode. I was shocked it took so long, but somehow I knew it was coming. I knew "melt-down" was running rampid and didn't even sign on until after the game. Most of what I read still purplexed me. Watson this, and Zac Lee that. Oh well, we Husker fans are certainly into it, huh.

Posted by: Trashman on October 12, 2009 4:42PM CST SG Well if you had finished my quote in your copy......:) I said that's obviously Lee right now. I don't know that Green is better......quite yet. I would kind of compare it to a poker hand, when you're kinda "pot committed" and you have to go all in. The play of the other person has forced you to make a decision, even though you're unsure if it's the right one. I think we'll know a lot more after this weekend and I am hoping for Lee to come through in a big way (I think I've said that enough).

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 4:44PM CST Trash - He's got "it" in terms of confidence in himself. I believe he's a real play maker as well, but hasn't been given the green light to use some of his ability to make a play when the OL protection breaks down. I sure can't judge him based on 5 games, and don't think anyone else should, but they way he came back and put it on the numbers to Niles and hung in there until the last second to get McNeil open should give you some idea of his skills. Just give it time. I think we'll all be happy with the results. If not, bring on the Green and pray he can do what you think he can do. I know we haven't seen anything of his ability yet under pressure, so that's a total unknown at this point. Not that I don't think he has the ability either, just haven't seen it. This too will come in time.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 4:47PM CST TOC, I may have been a little short with some on the game day thread, but good gosh, people acted like they've never been around the game. The way our season is going (I mean my work season) if I reacted that way every time something negative happened I would be in the nut house by now. I may end up there anyway, just sayin'.

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 4:49PM CST GBR - I must say, I was so happy with the way Bo handled himself during the entire game. I think the players really fed off of his confidence. He never really gave the impression that he felt his team wouldn't pull this out. That was a nice feeling. Probably why I was feeling so confident. It's like Bo knew they had it in them to win that game.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 4:52PM CST Also, there's all this talk about Green needing game experience so that when he takes over, he's ready. What did Lee play last year? Like 10 snaps? Seriously, this kid isn't even tapping into his potential yet (at least the way I see it). He's essentially learning on the job. Sure, he's had some time to practice and get the system down, but I think everyone realizes (at least those wanting Green in the game) that the real learning comes under fire. But really, I'm still of the belief that the 0-for stretches aren't completely on him.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 4:54PM CST The two close-ups of Lee during the game Thursday night showed something...you could see it in his eyes. Just what TOC said, you could see it in his eyes that he had "it." Patience everyone, patience. The game is fast and sometimes it takes more than a handful of games for the game to slow down and to settle into a comfort zone. It will happen. He has to be patient and let it happen...so do we.

Posted by: PT Husker on October 12, 2009 4:56PM CST I am sure everybody remembers "Chicken Little" from preschool. that never happend either. Nor will it if a team that all said "If they are 9-3 or 8-4 and play well we will be happy this year" It is after all only Bo's 2nd year and we are building for the future. Remember that guys. Well we are 5-1. and the 1 we lost most conceded before the season. sounds like we are on track or better. And regardless of who plays where we will stay on that track. The north is still ours for the taking. And this game will not be a hiccup. Mark it down. I will be back to say I told you so.

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 4:56PM CST I wouldn't mind seeing Green get in the game in the first or second quarter of this next game with TT. Let the kid show his stuff. This is not a call to put Zac on the burner either. I think this would make them both better and that would not bother me at all. I don't think Zac's gonna crawl off into the corner if Cody gets some time during the real fight. It might just make him that much more focused. Will it happen? Not my call, but it could.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 4:58PM CST TOC, you're right about that, I hadn't looked at it that way. Nothing changed, demeanor was basically the same start to finish, at least what I could see. It seems he is learning too.

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 5:01PM CST BTW.. I should clarify, the 2nd paragraph of my last post was referring to Zac. And my overall point was that Zac didn't have the luxury to get game experience last season. His game experience is happening right now. So there should be expectations of some rough patches. Also, earlier post was in no way saying Green shouldn't get some snaps.

Posted by: Trashman on October 12, 2009 5:04PM CST Tommy, SG, PT, GBR I'll take your guys' word for it on Zac, but I'm not completely sold. I'm still kinda like the guy on Tommy Boy who tells Tommy and Richard "maybe" when they try to sell him brake pads after several previous failures. I just hope Tommy, aka Lee doesn't have that same meltdown that took place with the model car and lighter to scare me away! :)

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 5:08PM CST PT, excellent "Chicken Little" anlogy. I do remember all of the pre-season talk and how happy many would be with those records. I think the possibilities that are before us have caused some to get a little greedy, not saying that wanting that type of success now is a bad thing, just that we have to remember where we came from. We need to keep everything in check emotionally, that's what we expect of the team isn't it? Why would that advice not be good for us? I know you get it and many others do as well, but...

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 5:14PM CST I think they're all learning. For what it's worth, maybe even some of us fans are learning as well. We've always been accused of being the most knowledgeable fans and kindest to our opponents and their fans. We certainly expect to have a competitive team and when you've been to the mountain top it's pretty hard looking up from the bottom like we've had to do. Maybe some of us are finding the ability to be able to enjoy just the little things, like good hard nosed defense, or a team that can actually come back from a deficit, or a secondary that can lock it down and take a INT to the house, we'll almost anyway. I tell you what, losing helped me appreciate winning just that much more. I think I'll give this kid Zac Lee and his OC a lot of room to do their best. I have no problem wiht those who question the play calling, or the ability of any certain player. That's what these forums are here for. I know I'm a Husker fan who's really appreciating the little things right about now. It's been a long time since I've felt this good about my team. 10 years long. I'm gonna enjoy every bit of this. If it all comes to a screaching halt, well I'll be quick to get back on my horse. I'm sure our team will do the same, as that's the character I see in this team. Hey, if we win them all from here on out I'll be even more appreciative. :) LOL

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 5:15PM CST Trashman, I am not sure that any of us are "completely sold." But we are confident that Lee will work things out. Should it happen that he doesn't, well now that's what Bo gets paid for now isn't it. Trust that the right decisions are being made and will be made, that I do have complete confidence in. I don't always agree with what Wats calls, or at least what I think he called, but truth be known Wats probably doesn't agree with everything that he has called. No player is perfect, no coach is perfect and I'm sure that both of them would be the first to say it.

Posted by: TommyOC on October 12, 2009 5:18PM CST GBR - You are the most knowledgeable of Huskerfandom. LOL Nice post!

Posted by: Sabado Gigante on October 12, 2009 5:19PM CST I tell you what, losing helped me appreciate winning just that much more. I think I'll give this kid Zac Lee and his OC a lot of room to do their best. I have no problem wiht those who question the play calling, or the ability of any certain player. That's what these forums are here for. Yes.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on October 12, 2009 5:29PM CST There's alot to be said for losing...most of which can't be repeated on here, but...I think most, if they really think about it, will take on the same viewpoint as Tommy OC. I am at a school where we had success and then the district built another HS which means that the talent gets split up. Well, 75% of the talent went to the new school which 4 short years later experienced a state championship while at the same time we struggled to keep our heads above water. Yes, losing a little bit can help you put things in perspective. That said, if the success finds its way back to you can you maintain your perspective? That is the question. Nice to see some have, hopefully others will get it at some point. Dinner time, gotta go or I'll be in trouble. Nobody wants that!

Posted by: rluben on October 12, 2009 5:30PM CST It's quite simple, protect the QB's blindside by keeping a back in to protect it. If the D is bringing it f down after down, that's what you have to do...aint no way around it. And then you can also throw in some screen and shovel passes and QB draws. First priority if you're going to try n throw the ball is to have enough blockers to handle their numbers. Some of those quick sideline passes to wideouts 2 yards downfield or behind the line of scrimmage are garbage plays unless you have someone out there to block the defender who saw it coming before the ball was snapped.

Posted by: BenAr2 on October 12, 2009 7:11PM CST . . . new guys in the corner, puking his guts out, all because you wanted to save a few pennies . . . priceless "Tommy Boy" reference Trashman. And Charger, do I really need to find another team just because I have real doubts about Zac Lee? I'm sorry if that offends you, but rather than responding the way you did, you could opine as to why you don't agree with me. Just a suggestion. I think this team has the potential to play with anyone in the country, I just want the best for the players and the fans. I certainly could be wrong about Mr. Lee. It's obvious he's got skills, he just needs to execute and we'll find out Saturday.