Life in the Red Group

Posted by: joe t on February 24, 2010 10:07AM CST Pass rusher at DT? Suh is a better all around player, not a one-trick pony. I very surprised to see that McCoy has gotten better after the season has concluded. Weird.

Posted by: Trashman on February 24, 2010 10:09AM CST This is WAY off base from Suh, but he'll go #1 anyway so I'll move on from the list of coming SSSSSUUUUHHHH entries to the sport of season. A lot of people on here like to say to people who are critical of Doc that they have no business to be this way unless they go to games and show support. That the support is not there and needs to be to help make this team successful. I kinda wondered if we were the "bad fans" with our men's team. So I did some homework on the attendance figures for NU and how we stack up to some other cellar dwellers in other major conferences. Here you go: NC St--15-13 (3-10) capacity 19,722. Home average-approx. 13,000 (a quick summation w/out posted numbers on their site). 66% filled Penn St--10-16 (2-12) cap. 15,261. Home ave.- 7,959. 52% filled Oregon--12-14 (4-10) cap. 9,087. Home ave.- 6,974. 77% filled LSU--9-17 (0-12) cap. 13,215. Home ave.-8,940 68% filled NU--13-14 (1-11) cap. 13,595. Home ave.- 9,922. 73% filled A quick sampling shows we're 2nd in average attendance based on capacity to only Oregon (not that I've helped this year). Oregon, NC St, and LSU all have a MUCH more impressive history in basketball then we do. PSU is probably on par with us. IMO, this would show we are on par or even better than much of the nation watching some crappy roundball play. The product determines the fan's enthusiasm.

Posted by: Stone on February 24, 2010 10:17AM CST Trash - bball? bball? You wanna talk bball? This is a fball blog. bball? Seriously bball? OK I thought I would get those comments in before others did Trash. Good commentary on the matter though.

Posted by: Busiekcreek on February 24, 2010 10:18AM CST Go Big Suh in the NFL combine When it's over we shall all see "who flung the chunk"

Posted by: PT Husker on February 24, 2010 10:21AM CST Trash, so based on your research, the fans are given Doc a better than average following among Sucky teams. Which translates into eternal optimism that magic will happen in the next game. I would be curious as to what the trend has been this season. Steady, or slowly decreasing. Or shock of shocks, a small increase. And how does it compare to last year and the year before. You started this so fill in some blanks.

Posted by: PT Husker on February 24, 2010 10:24AM CST BTW, I tried to pay particular attention to McCoy at the NU OU game. IMO Suh was much bigger factor in our success than McCoy was in theirs.

Posted by: dsdevlin on February 24, 2010 10:26AM CST Pundits say McCoy might be a better pass rusher...that's crap. If Suh were turned loose in the NFL to rush the passer he'd lead the league in sacks. As it is, he's more valuable because of his tenacious versatility - run stopper, pass rusher and olineman spiker. Oh yeh...pretty good hands too. Suh #1. No brainer.

Posted by: Busiekcreek on February 24, 2010 10:31AM CST Ask Little Colty McCoy, he can tell you Suh is very overrated.

Posted by: PT Husker on February 24, 2010 10:35AM CST McCoy was better last year and the year before than he was this year. Suh burst upon the scene under the tutledge of Carl and Bo. Huge upside IMO. His major weakness to me is he uses his hands to much to tackle people. that may not work as well against the Big boys. But he appears to have much better feet than McCoy. But what do I know????

Posted by: Outside The Box on February 24, 2010 10:35AM CST This whole McCoy business reeks of smoke screen to make Suh more "signable". The Rams see that Suh has the same agent who was involved in the Michael Crabtree fiasco and are trying to hedge their bets that their #1 pick will sign and be in camp. From a pure talent and potential standpoint there is is ZERO comparison. But the NFL is about the business first and the team second so that will factor in.

Posted by: PT Husker on February 24, 2010 10:43AM CST I still don't see the rams ending up with Suh or McCoy. They either trade the pick or trade the player after the pick. And Frankly, If I am either guy I might just do an Elway on them. They deserve better.

Posted by: Trashman on February 24, 2010 10:44AM CST PT WOW!!! Just because you can't tell your wife what to do doesn't mean you have to take it out on innocent stat nerds. Sheesh. Okay, I'll feed the bear anyway. 2010 We've averaged about 9200 in the non-conf with a slight dip in the attendance right before Big 12 play due to So. Utah, MD East Shore, and SE LA. We've averaged 11071 in conf. There has been a steady decline partly to do with KU being first, but it continues. Down 1600 from KU-ISU. Down 500 from ISU-OU, another 500 from OU-KSU, 700 from KSU-Baylor. A spike back up 1200 for the last vs Mizzou. So for the most part, it has been decreasing, but not at an alarming rate. 2009 Non-conf is almost identical to this year. In conf we averaged 11405 so about 300 more is all to this point in 2010. Their first 3 games were very consistent, (ave. 11,531) there were spikes of 1100-1200 for KU and TX (predictably), then the last 3 were consistent (ave. 10643) but about a 1000 lower than the first 3. Once again, it did decrease but not at an alarming rate. I think the support is definitely there if the team was. Anything else ol' man river?

Posted by: PT Husker on February 24, 2010 10:52AM CST You are just marvy. Slow day at the trash bin I guess. But it does show a good, steady, fan base which is nice to see. there is more to you than Ice fishing. That is apparent.

Posted by: Trashman on February 24, 2010 10:59AM CST PT I really think it does. When you're still getting 10,000+ fans and you're 1-10 in conference, that tells me the support is there. I will no longer listen to "the fans need to be there for this team" rants and you shouldn't either. It may not be me, but people are showing ample support. Proof is in the puddin'.

Posted by: PT Husker on February 24, 2010 11:07AM CST For sure. and maybe they are coming to see the other big 12 teams play rather than the Huskers. but they are still there. Probably would not get many more in the new arena however. Not until they start getting a little more competitive.

Posted by: charger on February 24, 2010 11:08AM CST Trash is your info based on ticket sales or through the turn styles? I only ask cause when I've been there the seats look pretty empty.

Posted by: SuperHusker17 on February 24, 2010 11:13AM CST I think the only reason there really is a discussion about this is that it depends on the system you use. We played in a 4-3 this year? Where would he fit in at the 3-4? Could he play nose? Would he be able to play on the outside? I think that's what these analysts are talking about. I'm not saying I agree with them, I have no doubts that he can paly anything on the line but then again I thought Tommie Frazier should have won a Heisman and was proved wrong. How much real exposure did we have where people saw Suh on the spotlight besides the Big 12 game and our bowl game? He was good vs OU but with both teams playing so poorly on offense you have to figure they might just throw that game out so to speak. I can't say I remember any outstanding moments vs. V-Tech with him where he would have been in the spotlight and then the rest of the games either seemed to be on PPV or Versus or FSN which if I remember right was mostly just KU and our line really didn't have that great of a game vs. KU. So like I said, I get why but seeing him play as much as we did, I know he should be #1

Posted by: festusmonroe on February 24, 2010 11:16AM CST "I still don't see the rams ending up with Suh or McCoy. They either trade the pick or trade the player after the pick. And Frankly, If I am either guy I might just do an Elway on them. They deserve better." I don't see them trading out of the pick. The top pick of the draft is more burden than blessing because you have to pay the top guy so much money. Suh is in line to get around $40 million dollars guaranteed. No team wants to tie up that kind of money in a guy who's never played an NFL snap. For the record, I think Suh will be a terrific pro, but still, he'll be making more money than guys who have been to multiple Pro Bowls. That's a risky proposition.

Posted by: Trashman on February 24, 2010 11:18AM CST Charger It is based off the posted attendance on the huskers.com site. I do not know what they post on there, but I'm guessing it's on paid tickets. I think that's how most are posted. Now what? Are you gonna ask me the decibel factor across conferences and how it equates to performance based on the standard deviation between physical presence and paid ticket attendance? Sheesh. I think you need a new trashman.

Posted by: Hypno Potomus on February 24, 2010 11:29AM CST With two players rated so close together at the same position, it could come down to who the agent is for each player. Some agents are a pain in the neck to deal with and teams sometimes by-pass those players. I don't know who they each have as an agent. Suh's pick of an agent was reported here, but I've forgotten. I hope Suh has the best representation possible.

Posted by: KChusker on February 24, 2010 12:02PM CST SuperHusker... sorry but are you crazy?!? I will give you that most people will toss the OU game because of poor offense, but why is not we played great D? He had 4 tackles (season low), 3 QBH, 1 PBU (resulting in INT), and 1 blocked field goal. Plus as normal beyond his stats he was a constant disruption to their offense and when teamed with the great play of the DB's that is why oklahoma struggled. However, no outstanding moments from the VT Game? Did you watch it? He dominated their line. Led the team with 8 tackles, 1 TFL, .5 Sack, 1 QBH, and 4 PBU (a single game record for linemen). Beyond the stats he effected almost every play dominating 2 and 3 of their linemen! That game was on ABC if I recall correctly. Also you forget the Missouri Game. It was the only game on television. ESPN Thursday night. 6 Tackles, 1 sack, 3 QBH, 1 FF, 1 PBU, and 1 int. How is that not a quality game on national television? I will agree many of our other games were not as widely covered despite his dominance, but really for the NFL that doesn't matter. All the scouts have seen his film from every game in his career, and this last season they probably have reviewed them multiple times. Obviously you know he should be #1, but saying the analysts and scouts might not know that is crazy. If he is not picked first it is because he only came on strong the end of last season and this season while McCoy was strong for three seasons (a little down this year, but still great).

Posted by: Blue Sky on February 24, 2010 12:02PM CST Well, who won the head to head (and I don't mean the game final score)? Did McCoy look like a number one pick against Suh?

Posted by: charger on February 24, 2010 12:04PM CST Trash, Just having some fun. it's this darn cold weather it makes ya do strange things. how bout some night golf?? u ever play it? what a blast.

Posted by: PlyNeb on February 24, 2010 12:11PM CST The St Louis fans are not too enthralled with the idea of taking another Husker with a high draft choice. They have drafted Lawrence Phillips, Eric Crouch, Richie Igcognito, and Adam Carriker, and have gotten very little for their investment. As to Suh's agent, the Rams are familiar with him, as he also represented Stephen Jackson--so I don't think his choice of an agent would deter them from taking him.

Posted by: Stone on February 24, 2010 12:16PM CST I agree with Hypno. This will come down to which agent is easier to deal with to sign the player. Suh picked the wacko that represented Crabtree. Remember how that worked out? That is the only reason I could see the Rams pick McCoy or Suh.

Posted by: RU4NU2 on February 24, 2010 12:21PM CST Trash I'v been to every home game this year, and I know you got the attn figures from a husker site. But the stats are WRONG! Only a couple times this year, I would say that there were more than 10,000 people at the game, but that includes the 2,000 or more fans from the other team. The point is that there needs to be 12,000 plus NEBRASKA fans in the seats. GBR!

Posted by: Trashman on February 24, 2010 12:29PM CST RU4NU As long as everyone is posting their attendance the same (which I'm guessing they are), it's a moot point. PSU is likely to average just as many there or not there as is LSU and us. Paid tickets are paid tickets whether they're there or not and that likely equals out over the country. That was my premise of the argument. How we compare to other fledgling teams in major conferences per attendance. If you want 12,000 plus NU fans in the seats, you better pray and hope for your avatar with this type of output.

Posted by: Inbread on February 24, 2010 12:36PM CST sorry but 1-10 in conference will NEVER make your attendance go up. Ever. Get better, you get more butts in seats. Plain and simple.

Posted by: charger on February 24, 2010 12:40PM CST Stone & Hypno U guys may be right about getting along with the agent, but imo I don't think Suh is all about the money like Crabtree.

Posted by: Trashman on February 24, 2010 12:41PM CST Inbread Actually, per huskers.com, our attendance did go from when we were 1-10. 1200 more were there than the previous home game to watch us go 1-11. I hope you can rectify your previous comment......only havin fun man......

Posted by: Fitzy on February 24, 2010 12:44PM CST St Louis should just trade the pick away for a lower first rounder and some extra picks... They need a lot more to rebuild. Just as well get as many good picks as you can.

Posted by: Inbread on February 24, 2010 12:51PM CST Trash, I would be curious to see how many of these tickets were purchased while drinking off/pre-season kool-aid. A lot of hype about us being "decent" this year. (we aren't) oh, and to rectal-fy my previous statement, no year BUT THIS ONE will 1-10 in conference make your attendance go up.

Posted by: PT Husker on February 24, 2010 1:03PM CST I would be careful about talking about paid vs turnstile. Paid is what matters. If you use turnstile our 300 plus for football is gone. I can think of several occassions where at least 2 ticks were in my desk drawer. I could not even give them away during the last few years of Calli. But they counted.

Posted by: RU4NU2 on February 24, 2010 1:08PM CST Trash, I get the attn thing. It's like on the other blog, you made reference to the chicken before the egg thing and you are so right about it. I'v been going to men's b-ball games since 86-87 when I was 9 years old, I remember in the early 90's when 12,000 plus would come to see NU play whoever and sell the place out for Misc st, Minn, and other good teams. I'm just sayin the crowd makes a huge difference and could've helped this team to a few more wins this year. By the way the whole avatar is " God listens" to Slayer. I seen that picture and thought it was funny. GBR!

Posted by: RU4NU2 on February 24, 2010 1:13PM CST PT, I feel your pain about football tics in 2007. I had my a&m tics on the dash of my truck and some S.O.B broke out my drivers side window and left 2 more tics on my dash. : ) GBR!

Posted by: SuperHusker17 on February 24, 2010 1:31PM CST KCHusker, you're right, I have to say I was trying to multi-task while typing that and was trying to remember what game was on tv, covered by who and trying to do this all without really looking up the stats (which I really don't like to do but couldn't get much of a chance at work). Basically the point I was trying to make is that I'm not saying the team scouts would have missed his stuff since they do get to watch the film but all the talking heads that try to say who will go #1 don't always get that chance to watch every single frame that Suh played. They're going off of what they were able to see on TV. How I missed the Mizzou game I don't know but you're right, he had a great game and that was on a Thursday when no one else was playing but then again I think that people will say that Mizzou wasn't all that they were cracked up to be. Doesn't mean he wasn't dominant in the game but I'm just trying to play devil's advocate. And I won't say that we didn't play great D against OU but how often did our poor offense make someone else's defense look great (TT comes to mind). And I'll apologize for the V-Tech game, not having the stats infront of me but the one moment that does stand out from that game with him is the moment where V-Tech scored their last touchdown, it looked like he hesitated when he could have gone. Now I know he was trying to contain Taylor so I don't fault him but I know others were saying he should have just went after him. So again, my bad for not trying to do a little homework when putting out a statement like that but I'm just trying to think how these "analysts" are supposed to think.

Posted by: MTHusker88 on February 24, 2010 1:48PM CST The Rams can have McCoy...and I literally just lost all the respect i ever had for Mr. Mayock...a better pash rusher then Suh????? there is no better pash rusher then Ndamukong in the whole entire country..that statement is just absurd. BAM

Posted by: Trashman on February 24, 2010 4:19PM CST Nono I guess the only way to solve the "which fans are at these games" problem is to actually go to all the home games myself. Then take a general "eye test" to attempt to evaluate how many are not NU fans outta the attendance. It would probably get easier throughout the year if I knew the general amount of people per section. This is a catch-22 for me as then I would have to attend the game and watch the current state of poor basketball. I guess if I was assessing the fan base, this would take at least a half so maybe it would be okay considering several would likely be competitive (just usually a letdown at the buzzer). I will consider this for next year, but I would likely need help due to other obligations on the schedule.

Posted by: rluben on February 24, 2010 7:01PM CST Umm... you don't recall the 3-4 batted down balls by Suh against VT SuperHusker? If those were his only stats in that game, that in itself would have been impressive, but he had tackles and other disruptions too. He manhandled every aspect of VT's offense. Don't forget that until the last drive of the game VT didn't do squat against the blackshirts, the same VT team that scored alot of points (over or around 24 or so) against Bama's so called great D who almost got schooled by a frosh in a national title game. A talented frosh sure, but still....pathetic for the supposed best D in the land.

Posted by: rluben on February 24, 2010 7:11PM CST Oh my bad Superdy•Duper•Husker17, I see you s'plained yourself later on and you were basically just doing a Mark May impression and showing off your (his) pigskin unknowledgeness.

Posted by: Solly on February 24, 2010 10:04PM CST The mere fact that the Rams' "braintrust" sees any reason to even debate between Suh vs. McCoy makes the root causes of the team's meteoric decline and ongoing residence in the NFL cellar very clear.