Life in the Red Group

Posted by: nino_43 on August 13, 2011 8:10PM CST Big TX Conf will be gone in 2 yrs tops!!! Good Bye! Good Riddance!!! GBR!!!

Posted by: Redrickman on August 13, 2011 8:12PM CST Looks like a picture during his most recent prostate exam.

Posted by: Islander/Husker on August 13, 2011 8:12PM CST We are now in the B1G, away from the all the drama, thank heaven. Will the Big 12 survive, maybe, but it's on life support for sure.

Posted by: Wrestler on August 13, 2011 8:14PM CST I for one, don't concur with all the negative thoughts of SEC? I think it has its good and some bad elements, as all conferences do? So I would be happy if that time came in deciding for a SEC joining? But I also am intrigued with joining the Pac 10, as it would open up CA. moreso for the recruiting and playing and OU would always have their fingers in Texas HS FB, for the recruiting also? So now more impact into 2 of the 3 biggest states for talent in HS FB, Texas and California and Florida wouldn't be so bad either? So Barry T. speculates Sip, just like everyone else and he voices opinions that aren't validated by all? So I don't think, you have a consensus of thought right now for the choosing between SEC and Pac 10 in Soonerland or for that matter in Okie Lite land as well? Again writers extract comments and thoughts from some and speculate to what will become, as that is your business? But I wouldn't take the speculation, as profound by any means? Just my thoughts? GBR! Zhou Da Hong!

Posted by: rev.redd on August 13, 2011 8:15PM CST In the words of Mike Alden, Mizzou AD, "No, no, no...." If nothing happens, and this turns out to be aTm leveraging a better payout, Doug Gottlieb got some splainin to do. Oh wait, he works for ESPN...partner of the TX conference. Now I get it... Redrickman....that cracked me up!

Posted by: Islander/Husker on August 13, 2011 8:15PM CST Trust me Redrickman, during a prostate exam you are not smiling at all or even smirking.

Posted by: Redrickman on August 13, 2011 8:19PM CST IH, I own stock in Avadart, and I always ask my Dr. " Is there any breakthroughs in technology yet"? Dang!!!

Posted by: Islander/Husker on August 13, 2011 8:20PM CST You remember Gottieb was saying that Missouri was being courted by the Big 10, way back at the end of 2009 and early 2010. Which was not true, though Missouri was on record of wanting to go to the Big 10. He also said Rutgers was also a candidate. So he misses more often than not.

Posted by: Redrickman on August 13, 2011 8:22PM CST IH, Did you go see the bugeaters ?

Posted by: Islander/Husker on August 13, 2011 8:24PM CST I think we have had enough Big 12 threads for one day.

Posted by: wacky4huskers on August 13, 2011 8:26PM CST IH, most people don't like the digital exam, but we are talking about Beebe and maybe he does,LOL

Posted by: Islander/Husker on August 13, 2011 8:27PM CST Red, no and I wish I had. Maybe they will run it again.

Posted by: Islander/Husker on August 13, 2011 8:30PM CST Ha, Ha, wacky, maybe he does at that. Probably likes root canals as well.

Posted by: Redrickman on August 13, 2011 8:32PM CST IH, DVD is available, if your interested let me know, could probably steer you in the right direction

Posted by: Ravishing Red on August 13, 2011 8:35PM CST Anyone know how the Kearney little league game came out?

Posted by: Redrickman on August 13, 2011 8:37PM CST lightning delay, top 6 SD4 K2

Posted by: Islander/Husker on August 13, 2011 8:37PM CST Yeah I would be interested in the DVD. Where can I get it, Red?

Posted by: Ravishing Red on August 13, 2011 8:39PM CST Thanks, Redrick...think they'll put it back on ESPN, or keep the California feed going?

Posted by: Islander/Husker on August 13, 2011 8:39PM CST It's in lighting delay, top of the 6th, 4-2 S.Dak.

Posted by: Country Husker on August 13, 2011 8:42PM CST Caption: "The Beebster revels in his promotion to Deloss Dodds' piss boy." They might as well make Dodds the grand poobah of the conference. teja$ and it's 8 little beeches. Oh wait, I'm sure getting a bunch of texas politicians in the middle of this will help. Shoot, things in the teja$ 12 conference will be a-ok in no time.

Posted by: rev.redd on August 13, 2011 8:46PM CST If aTm doesn't go SEC, I can imagine the distrust and bridges burned between that conference and Texas schools in general. No one likes to get played.

Posted by: Redrickman on August 13, 2011 8:51PM CST Rav, I would think they would. IH, wife has the details on the DVD, I will send it to your inbox when she gets home, will that work?

Posted by: Islander/Husker on August 13, 2011 8:56PM CST Yep, that will work.

Posted by: Bornhusker on August 13, 2011 9:40PM CST Texas AD Deloss Dodds had the most accurate quote of the day: "We’re going to end up in a good place. That’s what we do. We’re good at that.” Meaning, of course, they're good at doing what's best for them, and to hell with everyone else.

Posted by: Bornhusker on August 13, 2011 9:51PM CST Too bad it's A&M that's leaving the conference and not UT. Of course Texas would undoubtedly drag some of its lackeys along. They'd want to make sure they had someone to boss around in their new environment. Sorry, Wrestler, but the OU president's statement last year that they would go wherever Texas goes puts them in that group.

Posted by: big red 1 on August 13, 2011 9:52PM CST He still looks like the mouth of Mordor. Or the cat that swallowed the golden canary. Either way good riddance. A & M had better be on guard. We thought we had it rough our last year, there walk will be like looking through the gates of hell.

Posted by: drivebyposter on August 13, 2011 9:53PM CST Wrestler, you been living on the edge too long? It is the Pac 12 now? Just thought you would like to know? Did you know the wagondrivers are being investigated again? Just in case you missed it?

Posted by: rluben on August 13, 2011 9:53PM CST Nope, not worth saving

Posted by: big red 1 on August 13, 2011 9:58PM CST born: I think Texass game plan is to eventually go independent. They would make more money as ESPN the ocho would have all rights to them.

Posted by: swanychargers on August 13, 2011 10:00PM CST I don't know anything about what the texas legislature can do legally from keeping A&M from bolting but i have a gut feeling that Don Beebe made a few phone calls to his close buddies because he knows that if A&M does leave it will probally be the begining of the end of the big 12. Just watch the legislature will make stay put...becuase bevo says so

Posted by: big red 1 on August 13, 2011 10:01PM CST Maybe Texas will have to drop there football program as they wallow in to history. I hear that ESPN is wanting to cover dodge ball as there main Texass lineup.

Posted by: swanychargers on August 13, 2011 10:05PM CST lol big red 1...or maybe shuffleboard

Posted by: rluben on August 13, 2011 10:10PM CST Yeah red 1, Dodge ball, Intramural darts, competitive quilting, the annual fraternity wars...lighting farts, throwing darts, beer bong races, cow tipping championships, Cow Chip Olympics, fire ant wrestling, Bevo Love fest, hop scotch championships, specials about which football players have the prettiest painted toe nails, and all kinds of really interesting programming.

Posted by: Bornhusker on August 13, 2011 10:12PM CST big red 1: If they go independent they'd have sign a second deal with ESPN or one of the other broadcasters. Opponents are refusing to let their games be broadcast on LHN. Texas Tech recently refused, with the Chancellor and AD saying they don't want TT fans to have to pay a dime to the LHN.

Posted by: big red 1 on August 13, 2011 10:13PM CST rluben: Funny stuff there.

Posted by: big red 1 on August 13, 2011 10:18PM CST I would laugh myself silly if Texas cant find anyone that wants to play them. The stench of bevo takes a long time to clear out of a stadium. LOL

Posted by: PT Husker on August 13, 2011 10:19PM CST I think we should all remember that when we made the move to the Big 10 it was because it was in our own best interests.We saw it as a better place for us and fortunately we had the clout to get it done. We did not ask for anyones permission nor did we worry about the consequenses our move might have on others. This is in no way a condemnation of our move. Fact is we saw this coming and beat everybody to the punch. The major difference was the attitude we took towards it. I don't think Texas is setting out to destroy the conference and they really don't understand why some are so upset. They will take care of themselves. Others should take heed and do the same.

Posted by: Ravishing Red on August 13, 2011 10:23PM CST "Is the Big XII worth saving?". Perhaps the better question is, was the Big XII worth starting in the first place? I know that, initially, it brought more notoriety and money, but it's interesting to ponder what would have happened if the Big 8 would have held their ground for a few years, and not saved Texass and her little step-sisters. There are those of you on here that have way more knowledge of just why the Big XII was formed. But it would be interesting to contemplate where the Big 8 would have been, say, in 2000, without the expansion. Where would Texass, Baylor, A&M, and Tech have gone? Would the Big 8 have prospered...looked elsewhere for new members...died a slow TV-contract-void death? Thoughts?

Posted by: rluben on August 13, 2011 10:23PM CST Their non conference opponents may not mind being televised on Longwhorin' network, but most likely all but the lower level schools won't really warm up to it, unless they are offered more money than normal to appear. ESPN can't force folks like they think they can.

Posted by: big red 1 on August 13, 2011 10:23PM CST PT: But they have already destroyed 1 conference. When will our Big 8 brethren wake up I want to know. Foundation looks awfully crumbley.

Posted by: Lynchmobb49 on August 13, 2011 10:27PM CST kind of funny how dan branch graduated from SMU What an a** trying to hold down A&M so his beloved cheating ponies can get a look at the big twelve. nice underlying threat, "it would be unwise" kind of sounds like Darth Vader or something. Tis life in Texas, a bunch of sabre rattlin. If I were A&M I would get it over with quick, before the longwhorns can buy up the legislature.

Posted by: big red 1 on August 13, 2011 10:29PM CST Ravishing: I do not think the big 8 would of survived. They were at a point that they needed to expand but maybe they went the wrong way about it. Who would know and tell how it would of turned out.

Posted by: PT Husker on August 13, 2011 10:30PM CST Agreed red, but those people allowed themselves to be destroyed becasue they could not or would not stand up for themselves. So the question is Who destroyed it. Texas and thier arrogance or the other members and thier chasing of coattails and scraps. Now history may repeat its self.

Posted by: cstxfn on August 13, 2011 10:32PM CST Oklahoma is going to be all right no matter what. I would guess that most Sooner fans have the same disgust for U of T that we do. Like PT suggests, they are doing what's best for Oklahoma, it's their business and they have been pretty successful at it. They are one of the few teams that lay it on Texas as often or more then they get in return, and they do it with players they recruit away from the Texas schools. Nope, not worried a bit about Oklahoma, and I wish them well. rluben... Great avatar. I seem to remember you using that in the past.

Posted by: PT Husker on August 13, 2011 10:32PM CST Nite all.

Posted by: big red 1 on August 13, 2011 10:33PM CST PT: Is that like who came first, the chicken or the egg ? LOL

Posted by: rluben on August 13, 2011 10:34PM CST We finished plain n simple PT...TX started it..we finished it. T.O. said he asked if they would be willing to surrender their TV rights to the conference with every other conference member in the interest, TX said nope..anyone with a brain could see where things were headed even if the conference stayed as it was. Our leaders weren't interested in playing that game no more. We win, they lose. Now, a couple years from now, they will probably struggle to schedule even 3-4 relevant games a year.

Posted by: big red 1 on August 13, 2011 10:35PM CST night PT

Posted by: Trashman on August 13, 2011 10:37PM CST Wrestle Good to see you here, we've missed each other many times....likely like this evening or, on your time, afternoon. Weren't you firmly against OU moving conferences? I was a little surprised by your response to the SEC or PAC-10 and your quick "acceptance" towards the west. Ok, tell your wife "hi" and that I can show her how to golf. "It's all in the hips."---Chubbs

Posted by: rluben on August 13, 2011 10:37PM CST Yep cstxfn, it's my luv ya longwhorin' time avatar

Posted by: cstxfn on August 13, 2011 10:39PM CST Don't assume that U of T has more influence in the Texas legislature the A&M, it would be a mistake. That being said, don't assume that A&M won't go and get wishy washy about it. My bet would be that if the SEC makes the offer, then A&M accepts and nobody can stop them except themselves. But, I swear, if they don't go through with it this time they will look forever foolish, and that's putting it kindly.

Posted by: nonchalanto on August 13, 2011 10:39PM CST the big 12 is not worth saving. if tex-a$$ wasnt there it would be worth saving

Posted by: Ravishing Red on August 13, 2011 10:44PM CST rluben, the LJS should have an "avatar of the year " award. You win, hands (or teats) down. Cripes, I'm gonna have nightmares of burnt orange milkshakes tonight. Three freakin' weeks to go....

Posted by: Ravishing Red on August 13, 2011 10:48PM CST Anyone hear how the Kearney-So. Dak. little league regional ended?

Posted by: rluben on August 13, 2011 10:48PM CST Actually it's kinda fun to watch the train wreck from the outside, not so much fun if we were still part of the mess. I recall being very excited about the formation of the Big 12 and thought it was great in the early years. Who knows how I'd feel about it had we not had our BC and Pedy era, but I can honestly say TX conference politics was not a highlight for me. Probably wouldn't matter much either way if we had not had those down years and had beat them more than once. If they don't slink back into mediocrity like they were more often than not for 3 decades, hopefully we will get the chance to even that record up and overtake them in years to come. That's what I'll miss most, the chance to pound them TX into the ground when Bo really gets this thing rolling full steam again. Other than that, oh well, see ya wouldn't want to be ya.

Posted by: Redrickman on August 13, 2011 10:55PM CST Rav, ticker on espn says they called the game because of weather SD 4 K 2

Posted by: Ravishing Red on August 13, 2011 10:57PM CST Thanks for the update, Redrickman. 'preciate it. It's neat to have a local L.L. team in the hunt.

Posted by: rluben on August 13, 2011 10:58PM CST The no prop 48's or partial qualifiers, and the NCAA reduction to 95 then 85 scholarships was a bit of a challenge for a small populous state like NE to overcome and I think we struggled with it for awhile, then the Clowns came to town. Almost back to business as usual though, nothing but good times ahead. We'll have some heartaches along the way, but it will be the NE way, not some watered down wussball way. Not long from now teams are going to be giving us their best shot because we are the team to beat, we'll be up to the challenge and the for days after the opponents will once again know they payed NE and wish they hadn't.

Posted by: Ravishing Red on August 13, 2011 11:04PM CST No need to drink the KoolAid...just sip on the above post by Lube...dy-no-mite!

Posted by: John Jeffersonian on August 14, 2011 12:00AM CST I think Oklahoma and Missouri should go to the BIG 10. The New Legends Division would be: Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, and Oklahoma. The New Leaders: Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Illinois, Purdue, and Northwestern. That would be a great conference.

Posted by: John Jeffersonian on August 14, 2011 12:04AM CST OOPS. Forgot, put Michigan State with the East and Indiana with the West.

Posted by: hoarse on August 14, 2011 12:40AM CST why would they want misery? bring in Oklahoma and lasso Notre Dame LOL

Posted by: hoarse on August 14, 2011 12:40AM CST FIRE BEEBEE!!!

Posted by: jimk61 on August 14, 2011 12:56AM CST For what it is worth, I have an Aggie grad cousin that lives in College Station and he tells me that word he is hearing from people in administration at A&M is that it is pretty much a sure thing.

Posted by: joe9wicket on August 14, 2011 1:09AM CST one ring to bind them all. Bo Pelini is wearing the ring, it's in his pocket, and he don't give a .... Beebe can go kick a can down the road, he can go invite Houston and whomever. I don't give a .... Texas built this big scam of a conference, NU kept putting in the chips, Tejas kept upping the stakes.. T.O. folds to a better table. T A&M does the same... shame on Beebe. Thanks to the Indiana coach for taking the pressure off Bo... he might want to not accept that red bull from your defensive coordinator before you go on air. oh well.

Posted by: Big10Fan on August 14, 2011 1:23AM CST About a week ago a group of friends of mine and I were having lunch and we were talking football, big 10, big 12, SEC, etc..... Main topic of discussion was A&M and their happiness in being Texas's little brother. My friend who is somewhat of a historian of Texas football and a strong supporter (Rice alum)of all Texas schools told me a story about the Aggies, the Horns and Texas politics. I did not know that Texas had an invite to the SEC back in the late 80's. Turns out that Texas had an invite to the Pac 10 as well in the early 90's before the Big 12 was formed. Both times, the Aggies found out and pressured Texas lawmakers to force Texas to bring along the Aggs. The SEC and Pac 10 said no to A&M. I vaguely remember and maybe some of you on here can refresh my memory but wasn't Colorado flirting with the Pac 10 in the 90's as well. Same time as Texas? Anyway here is the link of the story I found on the internet. http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/04/finebaum_how_texas_nearly_join.html

Posted by: Sabretooth on August 14, 2011 2:22AM CST Colorado was flirting with the Pac 10 as far back as the 70s.

Posted by: LosSantosKid on August 14, 2011 2:29AM CST http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/08/14/3289150/texas-am-to-stop-off-treadmill.html this is a much more accurate article than anything espn-longwhorn network is putting out right now...

Posted by: Sabretooth on August 14, 2011 2:35AM CST Is the Big 12 worth saving? No, not with Beebe in charge. His lack of leadership is one of the main reasons that the Big 12 is in the shape its in. Instead of trying to address the concerns of the member schools, he issues a statement "We will be just fine without (enter school name here)" Can you tell me with a straight face that SMU, Houston, and Rice is an upgrade from Nebraska, A&M, Colorado, and possibly Missouri? As far as the LHN is concerned, Beebe has been reactive and not proactive. As commissioner of the conference, he should have been aware of what was exactly in those contracts. The LHN is fine for an independent school, like the BYU network, but Texas isn't an independent and they don't want to be, they just want the advantages of being one.

Posted by: Sabretooth on August 14, 2011 2:40AM CST Excellent article, LSK.

Posted by: JackTheTripper on August 14, 2011 7:31AM CST we need like buttons to click for some of these comments. the 2nd comment on this thread is hilarious!

Posted by: Tonger on August 14, 2011 7:42AM CST ATM to the SEC makes sense from an ego point of view but not from a football point of view. Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Auburn will hand the Aggies their heads. A mediocre Big 12 team is just going to get murdered in the SEC. The Huskers move the the Big 10 made sense from an academic upgrade point of view and to some degree a football point of view also. They move into the Big 10 during a down time (OSU and Mich) and will go from perinneal Big 12 runner-up to Big 10 Champs. It's actually a problem for Husker recruiting if the Aggies go to the SEC. Right now we are already on the outside looking in for the elite Southeastern athlete. With the Aggies bolting to the SEC, the SEC gets a strong recruiting base from TV's inside TX. Now we'll have to not only compete with Mack Brown for recruits in TX, you can add Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Les Miles, and Gene Chizik to the mix (all are NC winners). Everyone recognizes the Longhorn Network as a huge recruiting advantage, but so would be the SEC from inside TX. Their elite brand of football and level of success is clearly unmatched. If they have any recruiting presence in TX, this just diminishes our share as we are further on the outside looking in. As much as Husker Fans want to stick it to UT, I hope the Aggies stay put...

Posted by: rev.redd on August 14, 2011 8:13AM CST Will the Big 12 survive? Probably the better question is will the Big 12 become proactive and poach schools from weaker conferences (Sun Belt, WAC, ConfUSA) or will they become the victim as the stronger conferences (B1G, SEC, PAC12) poach them? If and when aTm goes SEC, it will become open season for those who want to go hunting. Also, don't underestimate the desire of certain Big 12 schools to want to leave. Besides Mizzou and aTm, there are probably a few more that would like to be "poached."

Posted by: PT Husker on August 14, 2011 8:48AM CST Are you better off swallowing your pride and accepting whatever droppings bevo leaves you or do you try to keep your dignity and go elsewhere for a smaller paycheck with less prestige? (at least for now) This is the question that Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa state,Baylor, texas Tech, and to a degree Okie State are asking right now. What OU does will have a major impact on how large the dropping pile is. If they leave fox will surely want to renegotiate as LSK's artcle suggested. Interesting times for sure. Thank the lord we are no longer a part of it.

Posted by: PT Husker on August 14, 2011 8:54AM CST As I think about it the schools I mentioned have lost most of thier dignity over the last 10 plus years by allowing Texas to bully them since the formation of the Big 12. So I guess what ever Texas wants is what will happen

Posted by: PT Husker on August 14, 2011 8:54AM CST later.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on August 14, 2011 9:07AM CST Any lurkers this morning? LSK...as Sabre said, 'Excellent article, LSK.' Gil LeBreton is very well regarded in the Dallas/Fort Worth media market. He wasn't far off a year ago and probably isn't far off now.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on August 14, 2011 9:11AM CST Wow, none of your posts were up when I started typing PT. Good comments.

Posted by: jimk61 on August 14, 2011 9:36AM CST The new Big 12 logo is the UT Longhorn with "BIG XII-III" between it's horns

Posted by: kscowboy53 on August 14, 2011 9:36AM CST The Big 12 died when Colorado left, followed by Nebraska. Most forget, Colorado left first. But blame NU for leaving for greener pastures. A&M has been making noise since the breakup last year. A&M's coach has been fined for his comments about the breakup and their leaving. They will be leaving next year. MU has been looking also, they just can't find anyone who wants them. Thus NU in the Big 10 not MU. I feel for the rest of the smaller school, as no one wants them very bad. Adding the 4 Texas schools to the Big 8 was the worst thing ever to happen to this conference, period. Didn't like it then, and don't like it now. TU has to much power control. Am still the biggest BIG RED FAN in Kansas, well at least my town in Kansas. lol Enough said......

Posted by: big red 1 on August 14, 2011 9:39AM CST morning coach.

Posted by: Ray in Bellevue on August 14, 2011 9:47AM CST Let's just ask Bo what he thinks?

Posted by: Big Wave Dave on August 14, 2011 10:29AM CST One important rule to remember here: past history with Texas and A&M may be just that, past history. Today, the TV Markets are far different and are an important consideration for everyone. Recent history speaks more louder than what happened in the 70's through the 90's. It is the overwhelming snotty attitude 'perception' of Texas football politics that has everyone angry and resentful. You can book on it, the Sooners are pissed off no matter what come out publicly. And the rest of the Big 12 is wondering what this is going to all play out. The very nerve that each school had to 'AGAIN' reaffirm their 'loyalty and commitment' to staying with the conference has to have made some other folks mad as hell. The SEC will offer, and A&M is already preparing the their own welcome party. The folks at Missouri have to be scratching their heads watching this....

Posted by: cstxfn on August 14, 2011 11:08AM CST no nothing...... All that is in the past and there's nothing that can be done to change it. What we need is some big time success. That 1990's run sure wiped out a lot of disappointments, didn't it? Ray... Hey, I'd love it if one of the LJS guys asked him if the Big XII was worth saving. First question of the day.

Posted by: Wrestler on August 14, 2011 11:53AM CST Bball and former coaching and not too serious an incident probably will impact Bball program for a couple of seasons? Got Lon Kruger now at OU, so nomore crap as he is a class act individual? Bornhusker, that was a year ago the pres. saying that with UT, oh how things in a yr's time, with the fluid developments involving UT and Big 12? So statements of a year past or what it is, past history? This saga of events changes week to week? Stay up as the "World Turns" in Big 12 land? But OU hasn't severed anything with UT yet true, but also keeping mute with the ongoings now of A&M, so who knows for sure what their and Okie Lite's thinking really is? Only speculation at this pt. but if A&M causes a ripple effect with Mizzou, you can bet OU and Okie Lite has an escape route in the works? I think the mere losing of A&M, may still keep the Big 12 together and adding others? The only reason I still hang on for hope, is the seeing of the Big Eight wrestling staying somewhat intact? My biggest concern is not FB but wrestling? OU and Okie Lite will be fine nomatter what the fate for FB? GBR! Zhou Da Hong!

Posted by: zaruba on August 14, 2011 12:21PM CST MY question is, "IN 2015 when Texas is the only big12 team, will they still have a championship game and automatic BCS qualifier?" As for big8 Wrestling. . . there is no more big8 wrestling. . that evaporated when NU left.

Posted by: NishBigRed on August 14, 2011 12:37PM CST No nothing, I think that bitter taste your getting is Texas piss, or lemonade, whatever they call it down there.... Husker never had much success against TX teams...aka TX, TT, or A&M.. Thank God for Baylor...

Posted by: Wrestler on August 14, 2011 12:41PM CST BS on the wrestling NU leaving zaruba? NU is a outstanding program albeit, but how little you know about Big Eight wrestling? Okie lite and OU and ISU 3 of the top 4 programs of all times in wrestling along with Iowa and it was built by Dan a ISU product? Mizzou has even had outstanding programs and wrestlers as of late? Some in la la land blowing in the wind, for how little they know about sth.? Big Eight is the cradle like Ohio to FB to wrestlng? All that is good has ties to Big Eight wrestling somehow? PSU NC, and Cale their coach, a undefeated 4 time NC wrestler from ISU? GBR! Zhou Da Hong!

Posted by: drivebyposter on August 14, 2011 4:05PM CST the wagon drivers haven't won a wrestling championship in 37 years. Oki state has won 7 since then. Iowa has won 23 since then. Do not recall if the wagon driver wrestling team was on probation, but the football team was on probation at least 6 times.

Posted by: rluben on August 14, 2011 4:50PM CST We had lots of success before the clown regime Nish...ummm flip that TT score around before the clown came to town and the brilliant Cozgrove got 70 hung on him by an average TT team. Texas was a pretty dang good team at the time the conference was formed, losing a few close one's to them isn't nothing to cry about...it's how we lost to them during the Solich restructuring mess, and after his firing debacle and during the clown regime that leaves a a little bad taste in the mouth. The last few years, nothing a little bit better of an O couldn't have fixed. We'll get 'em sometime down the road...if they don't slip back into another 30 year coma while we are on top of the football world again.

Posted by: Wrestler on August 14, 2011 4:51PM CST DBP Okie Lite all time championships? Yes Iowa like UCLA with a good run on wrestling championships? OU and ISU 3rd and 4th and there are numbers of All Americans and champions and wins and so on too much to wrestling, than you're spewing out team titles solely, as you always do? The coaching tree and legacy and so on? Wrestling is a combo of team results and individual athlete's results, when you go through the real data and what has been accomplished not only at college level but what Jordan is getting ready to pursue on a international level, the four programs stand head and shoulders above all else? You have to know a sport and live it, to appreciate it completely? Enough of you? As Coach said, just ignore? Too bad you didn't take my offer to meet me in person in Boulder one day? That says it all for me? You and I both know, you to be somewhat multiple in personalities on here too? As the aligning supportive Husker, which you weren't when you first came on the scene, for the declaring of how Hawkins and the Buffs were going to dominate the Huskers etc., to the now identiities of Badger trolls anatagonizing the Husker faithful on here? Others know your game as well? GBR! Zhou Da Hong!

Posted by: Wrestler on August 14, 2011 4:56PM CST Dan Gable is a dear friend and he says the two states of wrestling heritage by far are Oklahoma and Iowa in that order? Most all wrestlers and coaches know this amongst the land? It's only the ones that don't know the sport that know very little? Wrestling is a unique community into itself for those who have participated as individuals or as parents? Never will have a great appeal for the general public? But the life is special as well as in other mat sports unique to themselves also? GBR! Zhou Da Hong!

Posted by: rluben on August 14, 2011 4:56PM CST We got out of our mess quicker than OU got out of their post probation mess...they flat out sucked azz for nearly a decade after Barry Switzer left....and then they found their coach that brought them back and took them off life support. Weird thing is our suckiness was self imposed my a moron who hired morons, OU's was because a legend left under an undesirable probation situation that is harder to recover from. Much like UDubb out here who still hasn't recovered from Don James retiring after NCAA penalties...they may have finally found their coach too.

Posted by: Wrestler on August 14, 2011 5:03PM CST Barry S. Rluben was good and bad for OU I agree but OU struggled without him for a longer period of time until Stoops? Barry was a colorful guy with a horrific past and childhood that I admire in alot of ways for his making his life a success? Not everyone's is a fairy tale novel? Did he do wrong things yes, but he did alot of right things as well? TO and father Bob liked him and accepted him and he is linked to those two forever? His winning percentage is I think 1 percent greater than TO but what demotes him from TO's status is his character? But still how many yearned for him back in the decade of struggles for OU? NU is luckier in finding Coach Bo after the short time of BC? TG for that? And TO as AD at the helm was really the winning combo of now and his vision for going into the Big Ten? Kudos for him! GBR! Zhou Da Hong!

Posted by: drownnsong on August 14, 2011 5:25PM CST so that arrogant mack brown making statements that texas will be fine and oh yeah the big 12 will be fine too.

Posted by: drivebyposter on August 14, 2011 5:55PM CST Regardless, the wagondrivers are on probation and being investigated again. Just the nature of em.

Posted by: Wrestler on August 14, 2011 5:58PM CST Yes drownsong of course, Mack Brown and Dodds says it will be fine? I dislike OU's following UT's lead, so admire A&M more now? But I am conflicted as I want to see Big Eight wrestling down to 4 now continue? Yes with NU you only had 5 teams in the mix? As both Ks and CU didn't have teams of late? CU did have a pretty good program at one pt. in time but gave it up as many did? Youth wrestling has good numbers for participating and each year you see more and more D1 and D2 programs dropping so it bottles down into extremely competitive, to be on a team and qualify for some scholarship monies available? I would like to see that core of programs stay together? And what about the ISU and Ks teams and Baylor in the south for FB and where they go? Of that lot KU has a Bball program, that is most attractive? I think TT because of Leach's recent winnings does have a recent track record for FB appeal over the KS and ISU and Baylor programs but who knows, what will happen to them also? After Bobby left TT has struggled in Bball moreso? So yes of course, UT and its money can fend on its own, but really how well as an independent say? Maybe just maybe, UT needs the rest more than the rest need UT? I would like to think that? Going to morning tea with KW, later! GBR! Zhou Da Hong!

Posted by: Wrestler on August 14, 2011 6:05PM CST Yes DBP, sorry for striking out at you so? Yes you're right its in the Bball program and former coaches and looks like a penality of maybe two seasons to what who knows? And yes hard to argue that OU is any pristine program, so they have done wrong from time to time no question? But Lon Kruger is their new coach and one thing I know about this guy is he's class? The wrongs will stop on his watch I'm sure of as he has a track record for running legit programs? But you can always attack OU as it sometimes does wander and others do also? How sth. happens and what takes place when found out is what separates the degree of punishment as OSU stepped way out of bounds on their's and LSU didn't? Those are the differences for alot of programs? All universities have their outstanding people and marginal ones as life is that way also for companies too? GBR! Zhou Da Hong!

Posted by: Sabretooth on August 14, 2011 6:26PM CST Speaking of Dodds, did you see his comment that HIS staff is reviewing schools for possible replacements. Isn't that the conference's job?

Posted by: HuskerMose on August 14, 2011 11:14PM CST So when it is just Texass left will they still call it the Big XII?

Posted by: Gofor2 on August 14, 2011 11:35PM CST TEXAS IS CONFERENCE POISON!

Posted by: Gofor2 on August 15, 2011 2:28AM CST No Nothing, Getting ready for Bow Season? I disagree with your statement above about the Huskers losing leverage because of some down years. My feeling is Texas would have had the same power, eg. as OU returned to success, they weren't able to have an equal voice and keep Texas inline. Texas has a down year and they still get the espn contract. There are factors other then success on the field that's determing the fate of the XII

Posted by: eddie again on August 15, 2011 2:37PM CST it would be in the best interest of any big texas school to become proactive and not wait for the rug to be pulled out from under them. only ou and bevo have enough clout to go wherever they choose in the event of the big texas demise. a&M maybe just negotiating a bigger cut of the big texas pie. what does that say to ku and mu if the big texas gives more to a&m? who gets less if a&m gets more? answer that cyclones, wildcats, bears and red raiders, even the cowboys, the tigers and jayhawks should be concerned about a&m obtaining a bigger cut of the big texas pie. that has been the problem with the big 12 from its inception. it never sought or promoted competitiveness among its members.

Posted by: eddie again on August 15, 2011 2:40PM CST big texas conference can always replace a&m with rice; and, missouri with smu. if ku looks after itself and finds a better and more competitive pasture to graze in, the big texas can replace them with north texas. yeah, deloss and beebe have it all figured out do not they?