Life in the Red Group

Posted by: KingB on June 6, 2010 4:41PM CST Things are moving fast.... I haven't been this nervous as a husker fan since pondering the idea of who Nebraska might hire after firing Callahan...

Posted by: Bullmoose06 on June 6, 2010 4:45PM CST Ok I see waiting for news from both of the 10's is like waiting for that puff of white smoke to arise from the Vatican. We all know it's coming but WHEN? Just get it over with so we can get on with it.

Posted by: Albino on June 6, 2010 4:46PM CST Confirmation of Shoe #2 (Eyeing Pac-10, Big Ten Meetings thread) Hold on tight, Big Red!

Posted by: Islander/Husker on June 6, 2010 4:47PM CST I am not nervous, what ever will be, will be. How's that for a cliche?

Posted by: KingB on June 6, 2010 4:47PM CST I would like to see the Big Ten pick up Nebraska, Notre Dame, Texas, Missouri, and Oklahoma... I do not see why the Big Ten is not being more agressive towards Texas. The Pac-10 is on the other side of the country and they are pushing for the horns.... I don't think my opinion on this will be popular with most husker fans, but if I were Nebraska I would attach myself to the hip of Texas; go where they go, or stay where they stay... The way I see it, Texas is very important to the success of Nebraska football, and missing out on the chances to play them year in and year out WILL affect our recruiting whether people think so or not...

Posted by: Islander/Husker on June 6, 2010 4:50PM CST Yeah, lets end all the speculation. Get it over with. It's been a feeding frenzy, with rumor after rumor. Then we can focus on other things.

Posted by: KingB on June 6, 2010 4:51PM CST Islander, One of my favorites, as far as cliches go.

Posted by: Albino on June 6, 2010 4:52PM CST Oklahoma might be more difficult because they're not in the AAU. The PAC 10 initiative is far more academically lax than the Big 10 rumors. Nonetheless, if TX wants to stay together with OK, they may sacrifice the academics to do so.

Posted by: Miami Beach Husker on June 6, 2010 4:53PM CST Strap on a very large huggy Cornhusker fans... This could change everything.... Big drama in the summer of 2010

Posted by: Husker_Heat on June 6, 2010 4:55PM CST H'ville_50, I'd rather have my raisins wacked than be attached to the hi[ of Txass

Posted by: Husker_Heat on June 6, 2010 4:57PM CST remember Txass is attached to the hip of A&M... they're a two fer one special.

Posted by: Bleedin' Red in VA on June 6, 2010 4:57PM CST I agree with Huskerville...I'd like to see the same powerhouse schools in the Big 10. Unfortunately, due to the AAU and state politics (with the latter which I am starting to despise, afterall couldn't the other state schools make a name for themselves in the PAC-10?) I don't see it happening. Hopefully things get sorted out so I can stop being a worry wart and get on with my life. My work is reflective upon this expansion talk!

Posted by: KingB on June 6, 2010 4:59PM CST Another thing that I've never understood was why the Big 12 hasn't been the agressor with the expansion process. But that isn't even worth talking about.. Big 12 seems doomed, it is a shame though that we must part with Texas.

Posted by: E Martin's a Monster on June 6, 2010 4:59PM CST Should't a chairman of the board (William Powers) be a little more commited to the board in which he chairs?

Posted by: AlSt on June 6, 2010 5:01PM CST The Big 10 already tried to get Texas, but Texas has a 'Tech' problem. It was ok for Texas to bolt to the Big 10, but it's not ok for Nebraska. And, it is ok for Texas to bolt to the Pac 10, but now they have a Baylor problem. I am expecting an invite to the Big 10 this week. Things are moving way too fast for this not to happen.

Posted by: KingB on June 6, 2010 5:02PM CST Husker-Heat, I dislike them as much as anyone, but I recognize their importance to our success. VA, Good to know I'm not the only one that has "expansion" weighing on my mind alot.

Posted by: Wrestler on June 6, 2010 5:03PM CST Bleeding Red, worrying is wasted energy? I think NU will come out of this just fine? Either in Big 10 or along with others maybe to Pac 22? Heck lets just have one conference Big 120 and crown a NC every decade? 5 days and counting? Can't be on to long before the troops awake and feeding time? As the D1 FB turns? Better than your soaps? GBR! Zhou Da Hong! Forget Big 12 maybe soon not such a thing? Go Big 16 for Big 10 or go PAC 22 or Pac 16 who knows?

Posted by: Albino on June 6, 2010 5:04PM CST H'Ville: B10 started their conference network first (while UT was dreaming of a Longhorn network), which gave them cash to flash. It's business over (Texas) politics. It wasn't inevitable, but there it is anyway.

Posted by: JonBenet Ramsey on June 6, 2010 5:04PM CST I think Nebraska going to the Big 10 would be a mistake in terms of football recruiting. Like it or not we do benifit from being in the same confrence as schools from Texas. That being said Beebe needs to get of Txass nuts.

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 5:08PM CST MSU president says that the Big 10 expansion could happen in phases, with adding one or a group of teams before adding more... http://www.freep.com/article/20100606/SPORTS08/100606019/Big-Ten-officials-discuss-expansion-at-meetings

Posted by: Bleedin' Red in VA on June 6, 2010 5:08PM CST If DONU doesn't get the invite to the Big 10...I'm gonna need to find a support group. Do ya'll know how difficult those are to find here in VA?

Posted by: E Martin's a Monster on June 6, 2010 5:08PM CST After we win 2 more N Campionships recruiting will take care of itself.

Posted by: KingB on June 6, 2010 5:13PM CST I was getting used to the idea of Nebraska being a part of the Big Ten, because I was assuming that would make the Big Ten one of the best conferences in the country, but if the Big 12 South bolts to the Pac-(insert number) then the new Big Ten would be 3rd at best.

Posted by: Husker_Heat on June 6, 2010 5:14PM CST wrestler, whats with all the ? marks? ? typos? or do you truly question everything?

Posted by: Jackson1 on June 6, 2010 5:15PM CST Baylor won't be a problem if Texas moves to the Pac 10. Baylor's a private school...the problem would exist if T A&M or TT were not part of any deal. These are the largest public universities in TX and they'll stick together. Prediction.....if Notre Dame is extended a Big 10 offer, look for Boston College to be right behind them. BC isn't a good fit in the ACC. These bring excellent academics, trong football & BB programs AND East Coast televisions!

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 5:15PM CST Great post by Shatel. http://www.omaha.com/article/20100606/BIGRED01/100609769

Posted by: Albino on June 6, 2010 5:16PM CST boom's link also suggests that it may still be a slower process :( Like VA, I'd like some definition so I can get back work. Maybe the could start with a twelfth team (DONU), and then I can be more relaxed about 13 thru 16, and the PAC 10 feint.

Posted by: Bleedin' Red in VA on June 6, 2010 5:19PM CST My problem with Baylor being invited to the PAC-10 is that the PAC-10 won't invite BYU because of it's religious affiliations. Yet, the PAC-10 will invite Baylor if they come with Texas. BYU has hella better athletics and reputation than Baylor. What happened to principles and morals? ARGH!

Posted by: Albino on June 6, 2010 5:22PM CST Just to be clear, my last post referred to boom_roasted's first link, at 5:08.

Posted by: Bleedin' Red in VA on June 6, 2010 5:25PM CST Agreeing with Boom....great article by Shatel (he posts good ones when he does post articles! Unlike the LJS who keeps things going thankfully.). Shatel mentions Osborne keeping his word and faith and refraining from commitment to the Big 12 only to withdraw later on. HONOR. COMMITMENT. Osborne is starting to sound like a former U.S. Marine. SEMPER FI DR. OSBORNE!

Posted by: Jackson1 on June 6, 2010 5:28PM CST Baylor won't get an invite to the Pac 10. Neither will TCU, the Horned Frogs would make a heck of a lot more sense than Baylor. Baylor is a private university that will be cast aside to join the likes of SMU & Rice....maybe they'll hook up with ISU, KSU & Kansas.

Posted by: Albino on June 6, 2010 5:30PM CST Another report: Big Ten meets, will likely speed up timetable www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/big-ten-meets-will-likely-speed-up-timetable.html Bottom line: invitations can be agreed to remotely.

Posted by: KingB on June 6, 2010 5:32PM CST Kansas would be a good fit into the Big Ten as well. They have good academics, a rising football program, and their historic basketball program. I think Kansas should get a look from the Big Ten. Also, what a start for Turner Gill if Kansas got kicked to the curb, wow...

Posted by: Low Country Husker on June 6, 2010 5:33PM CST Posted earlier Okay maybe I missed it but.....if the expansion happens regardless of how it happens what year will this take effect? next year, 2012, 2013? Does anyone know this answer?

Posted by: Jackson1 on June 6, 2010 5:33PM CST T.O. had better approach this as one would a war. If he doesn't have a firm offer from the Big 10, then he is playing with FIRE. I guarantee everyone on this blog, TEXAS is not going to let Nebraska dictate what they decide to do. T.O. had better play as if he's in a "street fight"......if not, he might not be standing when the dust settles.

Posted by: HuskerDaveInTexas on June 6, 2010 5:34PM CST I disagree with the idea that NU needs to stick close to Texas. I don't see the advantage. Let Texas go to the Pac 10 or wherever. The Big 10 is not a good fit for Texas. Texas would try to control things like they do in the Big 12 and the Big 10 wouldn't let them get away with it. Maybe that's why there isn't more discussion regarding Texas moving to the Big 10, the Big 10 doesn't want to deal with them. In the PAC 10 Texas could push its weight around more like they are use to doing. Either way, Texas will regret the demise of the Big 12. Texas's "better then everybody else" attitude is why all this is happening anyway. As far as conference cooperation is concerned, Texas should have been more of a team player. It will be fun to see Texas complain about the 2 hour time delay, when they are stuck playing night games in California.

Posted by: cthusker on June 6, 2010 5:35PM CST TEXASS can kiss my grits! Don't care where they go (unless it's to a very hot place) as long as the CHEATS aren't in the same conference with us. Had enough of TEXASS blowhards to last a lifetime....

Posted by: Albino on June 6, 2010 5:35PM CST The "Missouri board of curators meets on Thursday-Friday in Columbia." http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/tiger-tracker/tiger-tracker/2010/06/big-ten-no-invitations-but-timetable-could-change/

Posted by: Jackson1 on June 6, 2010 5:37PM CST Kansas has ZERO appeal to the Big 10. This is all about football...............Kansas _ucks!! Geeeesh, maybe IA State would be attractive to the Big 10 because they have a solid wrestling program/history? NOT!!!!!

Posted by: Albino on June 6, 2010 5:41PM CST ESPN SportsCenter just had a five minute report on the possible realignment. They say Texas holds all the cards. Not clear if they meant the University or the politicians.

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 5:49PM CST This is a great game of "Texas Holdem" The flop has been played. Now............ The turn card is about to come out. But as usual it will all come down to the river. Go big College Football

Posted by: KingB on June 6, 2010 5:51PM CST If it was "all" about football then why would they want Missouri? All things included Kansas is everybit as attractive as Missouri...

Posted by: Albino on June 6, 2010 5:52PM CST ESPN's take on today's realignment events: Big Ten unaware of Big 12 ultimatums http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=5258111

Posted by: Trashman on June 6, 2010 5:57PM CST DBP Golf game coming around....78 on a "tester course". Somehow, 5 birdies. 2 doubles as well. 007 woulda had a run for his money today.... You woulda been back to "hundies golf"..... Guess somebody had to thong it today at the pool. They don't call you "White Cheeks DBP" as far as you know.....

Posted by: KingB on June 6, 2010 6:00PM CST The way it sounds Nebraska holds the cards... The Big 12 wants OUR commitment, along with Missouri.

Posted by: Jackson1 on June 6, 2010 6:06PM CST Regarding the Big 10. Academically Nebraska is a stretch, Kansas is a non-qualifier. Missouri is stronger than both NE & KU.......sometimes academics do matter. BTW, Texas is by far the best academically of the current Big 12 Conference Members.

Posted by: HuskerDaveInTexas on June 6, 2010 6:06PM CST Texas definitely does not hold all the cards. Beebe is all about the money, he's even said so. Peterson was also all about the money and look where it got him...fired. Decisions based primarily on money usually don't turn out too good. NU is looking at the money but they are also looking at bigger issues that will effect them for years to come. What is bothering NU the most are the character flaws in the people calling the shots. I don't blame them for wanting to work with different people. NU has the upper hand and Texas doesn't like it. Texas will eventually regret the out come of this situation. NU will benefit.

Posted by: Trashman on June 6, 2010 6:12PM CST STOP THE INSANITY PEOPLE!!!!!! As long as NU continues to field tough, talented teams, the conference affiliation matters very little. NU will always have money, prestige and a huge fan base following regardless of all this hubbub. Embrace whatever happens and worry about the current state of the team....that takes you as far as you're going in any conference.

Posted by: cthusker on June 6, 2010 6:12PM CST I completely agree! Nebr does hold the cards because without them the North is the DEAD SEA! Who would care about the entire division and who could they possibly get to replace them? NO ONE with the national recognition is remotely available! Bottom line.. if invited to the B10, take it! Let the blow hards in TEXASS twist in the wind.....

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 6:14PM CST Trash, I don't know if you have heard, but NU is thinking about playing in a different box in the future. DBP, Texas holdem? Is that a reference to the twins playing at the pool?

Posted by: Albino on June 6, 2010 6:14PM CST Jackson1: There are other indicators that make Nebraska stronger academically than Missouri and most other Big 12 schools. Nebraska has been dramatically increasing its R&D investments during the last decade, which is making them much more of a research university.

Posted by: Jackson1 on June 6, 2010 6:15PM CST HuskerDaveInTexas You need to take off those "red colored glasses" to see reality. NU is a pimple on Texas' arrss. Oklahoma has even hooked their wagon up to Bevo. Nebraskans have always wanted OU to claim NU as their "rival".....OU has selected Texas. The Nation as a whole sees Texas in control...........this will always will be the case. NU has a storied football history. Texas has a storied football history, progran & future!

Posted by: bigred-Ore on June 6, 2010 6:15PM CST Two things that occur to me one maybe negative and one positive. Negative: What financial penalty will be in place if we need to leave? Is any penalty in place if the B12 disbands? What is the buy in to the B10? (seems likely) Do we come in as full share members? (unlikely?) If not what share do we get and how long does it take us to get to full share. What new academic requirements might affect all of our athletic programs? How will the considerations of non-revenue sports be worked out for travel purposes? Have mutiteam meets like wrestling or track? The answers and the numbers from these questions could change this entire landscape. Positive: We are so,so,so fortunate that Stevie P and Billy C are gone and TO and Bo are here. Without these winds of fortune blowing in our direction we would not be relevant enough to matter in this discussion. Also very lucky to have Harvey in our corner. Chancelor here, a very important officer in the NCAA and THE big deal in the BCS. Truth be told Beebe can't carry Harvey's jockstrap when it comes to college football. Just a couple of thoughts. GBR

Posted by: HuskerDaveInTexas on June 6, 2010 6:17PM CST Texas is ranked in the 43 percentile in academics among institutions of higher learning in the United States. Nebraska is ranked in the 63 percentile. Get your facts straight. Texas is below average nationally in academics.

Posted by: Trashman on June 6, 2010 6:20PM CST Nish Really?!?!!? Whoa, you are on top of things Nish. Keep hittin' me with the updates partner. Actually, it should be stated that DBP plays with HIS twins at the pool. Sharsh.

Posted by: Jackson1 on June 6, 2010 6:21PM CST Research dollars? I can assure you that MU receives a much larger sum of research dollars than NU. NU is trying to play catch up with MU.....they still have long way to go. Even the OWH published a story a few years ago that had NU at best mid-tier academically in the Big 12. That's the home state major paper, an unbiased source probably would be so kind.

Posted by: Bo Knows on June 6, 2010 6:21PM CST I don't pretend to know what might happen, but I do know I just named the pimple on my arse Jackson1. Go Big Red

Posted by: Skull&Bones on June 6, 2010 6:23PM CST NU and KU are stronger academically then MU. KU – 96 UNL – 96 MU – 102 http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings/

Posted by: Jackson1 on June 6, 2010 6:24PM CST HuskerDave............your source? The NU media guide?

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 6:29PM CST Nish, Your twisty twisty is at work again. Getting ready for the big smoke inny/outty tomorrow. The twins did great at the pool today. The scenery was excellent. No thongs on men at the pool trash, you would not be allowed in. Okay out to throw the ball around. Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeep Breaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaath. Trash errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr thong boy nice round if it is true? Perhaps tomorrow you can go 18

Posted by: j&d4nu on June 6, 2010 6:30PM CST Bottom line, we have the academic stature to meet what the Big 10 is looking for. I really don't care if we walk in to the Big 10 ranked last in the conference academically, with 100's of millions of research dollars to share, our academics will only gain momentum.

Posted by: DebTu on June 6, 2010 6:33PM CST You can all thank Vice Chancellor Prem Paul for NUs increasing reputations in science and engineering. The man's been raking in the grant money for big projects right and left. If I remember correctly member institutions in AAU must go through a periodic accreditation process to remain members.

Posted by: j&d4nu on June 6, 2010 6:34PM CST Same thing can be said about Okie State and Texas Tech, if they can get into the Pac 10 and work on moving up to a tier one school, good for them. Sometimes following your big brother isn't so bad.

Posted by: Huskersincebirth2 on June 6, 2010 6:34PM CST Ok this is what needs to happen. NU and Mizzou to Big Ten. UT, aTm, CU, OU, OSU, TT to the Pac-10. KU, KSU, Baylor, ISU to the Mountain West. No team ges penalized for leaving the conference since all teams are leaving and the conference is being broken up.

Posted by: Skull&Bones on June 6, 2010 6:35PM CST Tier one schools in the Big XII UT CU ISU A&M KU OU NU MU BU Tier three schools in the Big XII KSU OSU TTU

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 6:37PM CST DPB, No man thongs at the pool, guess it not Trashy enough? Trash, If the Big 12 was a sandbox, TX just took a big dookie in it and doesn't want to share it bucket and shovel with the rest of the kids.

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 6:40PM CST 5 of the 6 big 12 north schools are rated in the top 102 and are AAU schools. Dump the tier 3 KState and then the "fabulous five move to the big ten in Mass.

Posted by: Huskersincebirth2 on June 6, 2010 6:42PM CST Skull&Bones: TTU is becoming a tier 1 school like many Texas schools. They are currently in the middle of a 10 year plan to become a tier 1 university along with other schools like UNT and Houston (i think UH)

Posted by: Busiekcreek on June 6, 2010 6:46PM CST Just sittin' over here in the SEC like a spider watching this melodrama play out. PT: you are my hero, thanks for defending Title IX and all it stands for. Can't believe such neanderthals exist in 2010.

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 6:49PM CST okay enough fun these are the only rankings that matter Academic Academic rankings click here

Posted by: j&d4nu on June 6, 2010 6:49PM CST Funny how just a few years ago the Big 12 was contemplating a network and moved away from it to investigate their own networks (Nebraska included), had that moved foward who knows we could have been the one holding the cards on expansion. We could have been talking Arkansas, LSU (Busie) coming to the Big 12. What could have been.

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 6:50PM CST Raising hand, me too Busie not necessary Title IX, but why there has to be women's programs as well as men's programs and not all sport programs can make a buck.

Posted by: bigred-Ore on June 6, 2010 6:51PM CST Thank you skull and bones. I tried to tell the Jackson 1 that T Tech was a tier 3 school as well as the fact that we had passed Mizzou on the latest acedemic lists. You add to that that Kansas is much higher on the list than Mizzou in total athletic earnings and the B10 might want to re-evaluate who would be best to invite. You not only get a better academic school; a higher athletic dept earning power but you get one of the nation's premier basketball programs as a bonus. I hate to see the Jayhawks get sold short in this process.

Posted by: Skull&Bones on June 6, 2010 7:00PM CST You are welcome bigred-One. Here's some more numbers. Big 12 schools academic rankings UT – 47 A&M –61 CU – 77 BU – 80 ISU –88 KU – 96 UNL– 96 MU – 102 OU – 102 KSU – Tier three OSU – Tier three TTU – Tier three Pac-10 schools academic rankings Stanford – 4 UC Berkley –21 UCLA – 24 USC – 26 UW – 42 UA – 102 WSU – 106 UO – 115 ASU – 121 OSU – Tier three Big-10 schools academic rankings Northwestern – 8 UM – 27 Illinois – 39 UW – 39 PSU – 47 OSU – 53 Purdue – 61 UM – 61 Iniana – 71 MSU – 71 Iowa – 71

Posted by: Low Country Husker on June 6, 2010 7:02PM CST I guess that pimple must be festered, even txass reporters think NU is the key. http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1091537

Posted by: Skull&Bones on June 6, 2010 7:05PM CST University of Michigan – 27 University of Minnesota – 61

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 7:05PM CST skull this is the only one that matters for academics acagemic rankings click here the other rankings are interesting but only.

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 7:07PM CST Low, Orangebloods? Is that a Texas gang references?

Posted by: Low Country Husker on June 6, 2010 7:08PM CST DBP it loses some of the conviction when you misspell the main word. LOL

Posted by: Low Country Husker on June 6, 2010 7:10PM CST Nish yep depending on which faction they support they wear blue or red cowboy boots.

Posted by: HuskerDaveInTexas on June 6, 2010 7:11PM CST Source: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 7:26PM CST husker dave usnews is a business magazine and is not relevant in acagemic rankings (that's for you low)

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 7:27PM CST Low, Thank God, I pictured one of those members wearing Orange boots! Sheesh!

Posted by: Low Country Husker on June 6, 2010 7:28PM CST DBP I knew my post would PEAK your imagination LOL

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 7:37PM CST It is a good night Hockey on one tv baseball on another Basketball on another Nascar wrap on another softball on the other Kids upstairs and outta my hair Go Big College Football... Hurry September.

Posted by: Skull&Bones on June 6, 2010 7:37PM CST drivebyposter your link even has UNL ranked higher then over half of the Big XII! Thanks for the backup! LOL Both sites numbers are close. It's kind of like the AP and Coaches polls. Close but not the same.

Posted by: HuskerDaveInTexas on June 6, 2010 7:39PM CST drivebyposter Find me an relevant academic source that comes up with significantly different results.

Posted by: Albino on June 6, 2010 7:40PM CST Chicago Tribune: Delany said that if/when it targets schools, the final steps will be: "Pretty serious. And pretty quick." www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/ct-spt-0607-big-ten-meeting--20100606,0,4657431.story

Posted by: Low Country Husker on June 6, 2010 7:48PM CST all I know is currently on the Big Ten Network the Michigan/Wisconsin replay is on.....sure would be nice if NU was on a Network everyday. Regardless of which conference their in TV coverage is now very important.

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 7:50PM CST dave click the link. This the relevant source. The only one actually. The rest are all magazines that want your cash and they rank everything to make money. Go read how they rank and why and then compare. Then you will know. http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 7:52PM CST Low so you have sold out already? Sheesh.

Posted by: Low Country Husker on June 6, 2010 7:54PM CST Nope but down here they have the Big 10 network on my cable. They also have 4 other Fox sports channels that don't show squat most of the time....

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 7:58PM CST Low, The other night (1am), I watched the NU vs Iowa St. game, again. Why, I don't know. Just a reminder that we may, or may not be back yet. You know I still was hoping we would pull it out in the end. That's like watching "Old Yeller", hoping the dog will get better. Dumb. Dumb, dumb dumb

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 8:06PM CST Stepn Flyer is going down hard, at least at the moment.

Posted by: Low Country Husker on June 6, 2010 8:07PM CST well it's been interesting but morning will get here soon enough....talk to you all tomorrow maybe by then you will have this all solved. Nish? enough said!

Posted by: HuskerDaveInTexas on June 6, 2010 8:19PM CST drivebyposter Thanks, I'll check it out.

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 8:21PM CST From Albino's St. Louis Today link: At the Pac-10 meetings in San Francisco today, its new commissioner Larry Scott was authorized to pursue expansion and he said “we probably have contemplated or are contemplating almost everything you’ve read about.” That would mean invitations to six Big 12 teams, not including Missouri, or a full merger with the Big 12, or nothing. Coincidentally, the Missouri board of curators meets on Thursday-Friday in Columbia where they likely will get an update from Chancellor Brady Deaton on last week’s Big 12 meetings.

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 8:22PM CST Have I ever expressed on here how much I love my Weber? I love my Weber! In my best Sam Elliot voice "Beef, it's whats for dinner!"

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 8:25PM CST relatives in texas tell me texas and other big 12 schools will be contacting perlman and osborne to plead with them to stay. its an orchestrated move. kansas and kansas state also will be calling. they are getting bloggers to call everyone they know to pressure nebraska. dont cave. its not random. they are organizing to call osborne and perlman. its not by chance. they are setting all this up.

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 8:26PM CST Nish, I thought you said it was in disrepair?

Posted by: MoJon on June 6, 2010 8:28PM CST Welcome to the Huskers vs. the Hawkeye's the day after Thanksgiving: starting in 2012. Get psyched!

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 8:31PM CST dont feel special or honored Tom and Harvey. they are setting all this up. its another calculated step similar to a political campaign. where were they during all the 11 to 1 votes. dont fall for their tricks. the calls will keep coming.

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 8:32PM CST Osborne's not going to cave. And Osborne is running this. He's more powerful in Nebraska than the governor, there's no way the higher-ups aren't going to listen to him.

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 8:34PM CST What SHOULD happen is the rest of the Big 12 should stand with Nebraska, and tell Texas - No Longhorns sports network. You want the Big 12 to stay together, so do we, but THIS is how it's going to happen...

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 8:35PM CST If the old Big 8 would just grow a pair and stand up to the SWC (sure, we cheat)...

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 8:35PM CST Dave, Roger doger. I have checked em all and other than the top ten or so they are totally different.

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 8:37PM CST just letting you know what is up. they are playing beyond super nice temporarily. its not genuine. watch and see. its their next strategy. nostalgia will reign short term. its a ploy.

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 8:37PM CST LCH, pretty crunchy AND juicy link you put up here Pac-10 ready to make moves; Nebraska's decision is key Anyone here really believe DONU isn't awaiting open arms from the Big 10 (including tOSU and HC Jim Tressel)? lol

Posted by: HuskerDaveInTexas on June 6, 2010 8:44PM CST Texas is going to regret it if the Big 12 disappears. They aren't going to get to run things anymore if it does. Whatever established conference takes them won't let that happen and they will only have themselves to blame. I've lived in San Antonio now for almost 3 years and it is really nice. It's almost like living in Nebraska. The people are great!! So it's not Texas "the state" it's Texas the school and the way they operate and how they constantly try to stack the deck that is irritating. The Big 10 or the PAC 10 should think twice before offering them admittance to their conferences.

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 8:46PM CST Albino's Delany comments: "pretty serious — and pretty quick." Any word on what Texass wants to do about the pile of B.evo S.ierra they've stacked on top of DONU and the league and what if anything different than the status quo B.S. they have come up with ? Feh

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 8:47PM CST yes and the university of texas administration

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 8:53PM CST DPB, You are very observant. One would wonder, coming from the house of a walking pot plant. The Weber has seen better days, but cooked several rib eyes to perfection tonight. Several months back I was having a problem with it heating up. It would not get over 300. I would have to relight it a couple of times. I don’t know if it was a propane problem or a propane accessory problem. If I replaced it I would probably replace it with another Weber.

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 8:56PM CST Huskerdave, Living in San Antonio do you venture down to the River Walk much. Last time I was there I was introduced to oyster shooters. Not much of a fan, but had a good time.

Posted by: HuskerInCO on June 6, 2010 8:58PM CST Does Bevo have to go to the vet to get his dingleberries cut?

Posted by: TwinsRRus on June 6, 2010 8:59PM CST So if Missouri and Nebraska join the Big 10, along with one or three eastern schools, where would the conference championship game rotate to and from? How far would the fans have to go to see the game? Is it a shorter drive to Dallas than to...? Anyone have any ideas where the best stadiums are in Big 10 country that would have the championship game?

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 8:59PM CST EVERYONE! I TOTALLY just saw the cable guy come out of Bo Pelini's house and he said that he was installing the Big 10 Network! Spread the word!

Posted by: Gofor2 on June 6, 2010 9:00PM CST OK, finally got some time. What did you guys decide? How did you resolve this? And thanks for getting this done on a weekend, but I knew I could count on LITR.

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 9:01PM CST Maybe they'd have the game in Indianapolis, at the Colts dome stadium... Probably not too many people who will want to play at Soldier field in December...

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 9:04PM CST Gofor2, I still think the best course of action is to ask Steve Pederson what to do and then do the opposite of that, but all these other sissies think we should trust in TO. Like he knows anything about college football.

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 9:05PM CST wow, Oldschoolhusker, good call on the pleading stuff... http://cjonline.com/sports/football/2010-06-06/calling_all_politicians

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 9:07PM CST Boom.roasted : Is that sarcasm or a cheap shot at TO?

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 9:09PM CST Detroit has a nice staduim up there that the Lions use now and then. There is the inflatable in Minnesota the Vikings playing now and then. There are several stadiums in Ohio. the Bengals have a nice one. Think about it if the Husker play in the Championship game i Ohio, once could take a side track to the Baseball and Football Hall of Fame! Heck even the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in the same week. If the game was in Detroit you could take your kids to the plants where American cars were once built! It's endless.

Posted by: bigredballer on June 6, 2010 9:09PM CST I vote Soldier Field for the new Big 10 title game. Why play the entire season in the elements of Big 10 country then move the title game inside?

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 9:11PM CST like Osborne is going to give into a bunch of pleading politicians. He's not a Democrat! zing!

Posted by: Skull&Bones on June 6, 2010 9:11PM CST HuskerDaveInTexas Both college grading links posted are good for college info. ARWU is very respected by Universities, professors and alum. It's a good link. U.S. News, Forbes etc is used by people who are looking at colleges. Yes they charge $$$ for a printed version but that's because they are a magazine. Kind of like this website. They post info but they want/need you to buy the printed version to stay in business. I used U.S News to look at colleges all across the country when I was looking for grad schools it helped out a lot!

Posted by: HuskerDaveInTexas on June 6, 2010 9:11PM CST NishBigRed, I've been there a few times but it's not really easy to get around there with kids under the age of five, and I have one of those. It is a cool place though and everyone I've talk to, that actually spent a good deal of time there, liked it. The thing is, San Antonio has a lot to do in addition to the River Walk.

Posted by: HuskerDaveInTexas on June 6, 2010 9:15PM CST Skull&Bones, Thanks! How does NU fair in those sources?

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 9:18PM CST Boom, I like that article. Dr. Tom was once a politician so I'm sure there are folks of that venue who still have connections with him. You know if the TX AD would have said, We need the Huskers. The have legitimate reason to be upset, all of us need to sit down in the Big 12 and see if we can hash this out. Not "They started, so were taking are ball an going West!"

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 9:19PM CST holy crap Old School and Boom...that link summed it up. however, no mention of WHY NOW and NEVER before. they're not as smart down there as they think they are if they think now is the time to hop out of Bevo's Behind... Sums it up well: http://cjonline.com/sports/football/2010-06-06/calling_all_politicians

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 9:20PM CST Should have said "our ball" sorry

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 9:23PM CST BR1, heavy on the sarcasm.

Posted by: HuskerDaveInTexas on June 6, 2010 9:31PM CST Wouldn't be interesting if the BIG 10 considered Nebraska Kansas K-State Iowa State and Missouri as a package? ...bye bye Colorado. The South essentially going to the PAC-10 and the North going to the BIG 10. ...just thinking out loud. I bet that when/if anything happens it will be kind of a surprise to everyone, just like one of Tom's offensive calls.

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 9:31PM CST i will off the cuff boldy predict that St. Louis will host a Super 16 (old Big 10+) Title game in the next 6 years. along with Indy, Chicago, New York area and maybe Minneapolis...who did i leave out anyone that probably will host a 'first week in December' championship game for the Super 16?

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 9:35PM CST Los, Michigan, Detroit has a few stadiums. They put a 100,000 in the seats during a home game. So I'm sure they would travel to Detroit for a Championship game. There is the Silver Dome that is now home to a few Monster Truck Jams. I wouldn't go there to a game, not without heat.

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 9:35PM CST I doubt the big 10 would consider iowa state or kansas state. I'd think Kansas could have a shot if NU and Mizzou come along. I'd like to see that, actually. However, the Big 12 didn't issue an ultimatum to KU, so I'm guessing the Big 10 hasn't been ringing their bell much.

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 9:37PM CST wow i just read that article you posted. its almost scarey. ill let you know if i hear anymore. ive got my ears down there listening. they are fairly well connected. different levels.

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 9:38PM CST BrotherDaveInOccupiedTerritory: that would be amazing. You and I both know that those schools have been destined to a different reality, and at one point many moons ago in the Big 8, I might have given a rip. Still would like a KU deal into the Big 10, but I can't see DONU, Missouri and another from this side of the equation having what many more in the East offer. Who knows right now. Until the Texass legislature stuck their horn in Colorado's buffalo, who would have thunk that sCUm could POSSIBLY slide all the way down to maybe the MWC...oy...vey. Hawkins playing against Boise State again. Of course assuming he isn't shaw shanked mid season.

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 9:40PM CST Nish, thanks. But there's a personal reason I left Detroit off the list. Don't want to give anyone any ideas. I'd rather go to Ann Arbor or East Lansing if those were the 3 Michigan choices to satisfy the masses...lol

Posted by: HuskerDaveInTexas on June 6, 2010 9:41PM CST It's been an interesting set of posts. I'll catch up with the rest of them in the morning.

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 9:44PM CST I do not think NU is going anywhere. I stand pat that NU will stay in the big 12. We will only get stronger over this TEXASS mess. The ultimatum has been handed out and I thinks Texas did not like it. Why have we all of a sudden not heard one word about the all Texas network? I think Tom put his boot on this one. Wait and watch. One will fall but 2 may join.

Posted by: Skull&Bones on June 6, 2010 9:45PM CST HuskerDaveInTexas UNL is OK. They do better in ARWU. IDK if this has been posted. If so sorry. "The AD said the Big Ten is focusing solely on Notre Dame right now before addressing Nebraska or Missouri." http://www.texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1091537

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 9:49PM CST Los, I hear ya. I would like to hear your reasons why not East Lansing? I have a buddy of mine from that area. Played football for the Air Force but is a Big Michigan fan. His kid went to Michigan. We had it out good the year the Huskers and the Wolverines shared the NC. He's been trying for me to visit him and attend a Michigan game with him. Plus he has season tickets to the Red Wings. He bought a rental property in Vegas when he lived here on the winnings he made from the Big Red Army. PS it is legal to bet on hockey in Vegas. lol

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 9:51PM CST Dave, KState does not qualify for the big ten. level III school. Not gonna happen. 5 AAU schools in the big 12 north Iowa state, Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, Kansas. Now the recruiting rules in place in the big ten would hurt in some places

Posted by: BobB on June 6, 2010 9:54PM CST If NU gets a B10 offer, they will take it. More financial security, solid ascademic conference. Will fit in with the R&D goals of fairgrounds efforts. Good for growth of Lincoln. Hoping for that offer.

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 9:57PM CST ain't gonna happen.They are more interested in ND. This is a big smoke screen.

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 10:00PM CST Smoke it if ya got it Stepn goes down.

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 10:04PM CST notre dame is just flirting with them, why not

Posted by: GirlLovesHerHuskers on June 6, 2010 10:05PM CST Maybe academically and in some sports, the Big 10 might be a good fit for us, but I really hate the idea of it being a football home for us. I've spent so much time disliking the Big 10 that it pains me that we might be a part of it. But I also really hate the idea of us being left holding the bag if the Big 12 implodes, and it seems like we are somehow now the "bad guy."

Posted by: Trashman on June 6, 2010 10:05PM CST BR1 must be ol man riverin' it again.....FYI the "snore alarm" should go off around 11pm in the La-Z-Boy. Just don't saliva choke. Have you ever heard "where there's smoke there's _____?" Had to do it that way so DBP could fill in his own blank.

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 10:05PM CST DBP, Please explain?

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 10:06PM CST The big ten should take Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado and Utah. Poop on the texans

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 10:08PM CST Nish, Ask Trash

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 10:11PM CST a smokescreen for what? You use a smokescreen when you're trying to hide something else you're doing... Nebraska and Missouri aren't much of a smokescreen... Everybody knows they're pursuing ND, the smokescreen doesn't do any good.

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 10:12PM CST You funny HAHAHA.

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 10:12PM CST Disregard, hockey, right? Men skating around with no teeth not for me. Although Trash was talking about starting up a men's speedo hockey league. He lost me when he starting talking about slap sticks and playing on the blue line.

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 10:14PM CST Hows it goin tonight Trashman? Is the game all good for you?

Posted by: drivebyposter on June 6, 2010 10:15PM CST stepn is right Trash is a weirdo

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 10:15PM CST nobody on here can say "it aint gonna happen".... none of us know all thats going on behind the scenes. its changing rapidly. no disrespect. opinions are cool. but they are just that...opinions.

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 10:17PM CST He's not strange he's a blogger. Although the cape kind of gits me to wandering.

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 10:18PM CST Like I said one will fall and 1 or 2 will join.

Posted by: RED KOOL-AID DRINKER on June 6, 2010 10:19PM CST Not sure what will happen.I trust Tom to make the right decision.Remember though it was because of Texas that the SWC broke up,they ruined that conf. now they are ruining the Big 12,also remember that Tom didn't want the SWC schools in the first place,also if the texas paper is saying that Texas is going to give Nebraska an ultimatum,they are the ones running scared,not us. If they were as confident and in charge as they say,they wouldn't care less what Nebraska does. They would definetly run things without Nebraska,KU,ISU,and KSU are lap dogs,they just follow,never lead,so trust in Tom ,he will do what he feels is the best,jacson 1 youre entitled to your opinion as I am,so in my opinion youre an idiot,and a scab

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 10:20PM CST yes, and thats your opinion

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 6, 2010 10:24PM CST Don't we all have a cape? No? ok. Yeah the cape is just strange.

Posted by: Skull&Bones on June 6, 2010 10:25PM CST big Red 1 the article also says "Make your dinner reservations at Misty's Steakhouse near the Nebraska campus now. It could be crowded as people gather around to possibly take their last look at the Big 12. All of the nine Big 12 schools trying to hold the league together are hoping Nebraska will commit to its future. But two Big 12 officials told Orangebloods.com, there is a fear Nebraska could hold out because the Big Ten has expressed more interest recently in Nebraska than it has shown in Missouri."

Posted by: Busiekcreek on June 6, 2010 10:26PM CST I read in one of the Texas links where they felt joining the SEC was not a good cultural fit. That's the best one yet. First of all, they know they will not be running the show and second, they will get their butts torn slap up on a regular basis.

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 10:29PM CST I still thin this is a big smoke screen.All this talk first started around ND and I still think that is who they are truly after. Texass I think is now running scared. I believe rig 10 has told Texas no.

Posted by: Trashman on June 6, 2010 10:30PM CST BR1 The game is better. The cape was just a fad for the month....got caught in my backswing too much. Less is more in thongland. I can say that I've never played with my twins at the pool however.....

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 10:32PM CST Saw some twins once. Drinking way to much and saw ugly in the morning.

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 10:34PM CST thats called a human sandwich

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 10:35PM CST That's called stay away from the ever clear and grape kool aid.

Posted by: The StepnRaZor on June 6, 2010 10:35PM CST drive by))) Whats up with Leighton in Chi town? Can't stop a thing. sheesh Gotta win game 6 and the Blackhawks are playing well.

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 10:37PM CST telling texas no. i like how that sounds. i hope you are right on that thought. if so texas will cover it up. that blows their image big time.

Posted by: The StepnRaZor on June 6, 2010 10:39PM CST I would like to get everyones opinion on a certain subject. Do you think we should stay in the Big12... go to the Big10... start anew in the Sun Belt... or team up with everyone in the Bigslow10Texas20? Trash? drive by? PT?

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 10:40PM CST Why is Texas now trying to bounce the ball back into our court? Texas was told something and it left a bad taste in their mouth.

Posted by: The StepnRaZor on June 6, 2010 10:41PM CST I just hope Texas allows us to make our own decision. They could easily veto any decision by Dr Tom.

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 10:42PM CST they need an out. nebraska can look like the bad guy

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 10:42PM CST smoke screen, smoke screen, smoke screen. lol hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. reality is often last accepted by those staring at it the hardest... This is a pretty decent little article...a little bravo sierra but worth reading. Any time Dollar Bill sellout Traitor speaks I pay attention. Know the man well and have to say he could list my house for sale any day of the week were he to need work... For Fair Use; Education and Discussion Purposes Only. hahahaa Big 12 problems trace to league's roots 08:06 PM CDT on Saturday, June 5, 2010 By BLAIR KERKHOFF / The Kansas City Star KANSAS CITY , Mo. – Since its formation, Big 12 football teams have won three national championships. Only the Southeastern Conference has more. It has captured NCAA championships in 15 different sports, including men's and women's basketball and baseball. It's delivered nearly $1.3 billion in revenue to its members with the prospect of greater funding. Somehow the Big 12 doesn't work? To some members, yes, and that's why conference faces an uncertain future as it finishes its 14th year of competition. In a sense, the uncertainty was predictable, and it goes back to the conference's roots. "There were some rough edges going, I was probably one of the rough edges myself," Texas A&M athletic director Bill Byrne said. He was, and so were many others. Byrne was Nebraska's athletic director then. Two others, Texas' DeLoss Dodds and Oklahoma's Joe Castiglione, were athletic bosses then with Castiglione presiding at Missouri. They were part of something different in modern college athletics, a new conference that brought together historically successful programs. Remember, during the mad conference scramble of the early 1990s, the SEC added two teams, Arkansas and South Carolina, to reach 12. The Big Ten added only Penn State, the ACC only Florida State. Those moves were tweaks compared to the Big 12, which blew up the Southwest Conference and reinvented the Big Eight. These schools came together not as conferences once did – to bind universities in close proximity that agreed on playing and eligibility rules – but for one real purpose. The Big 12 formed to maximize its schools' collective television contract negotiating power, a pure business arrangement. "The Big Eight had about seven percent of the nation's television markets and Texas had seven," said Steve Hatchell, the conference's first commissioner. "They couldn't survive separately in that environment." Negotiating media contracts is the primary function of all conferences today, but the Big 12 was the first to become established for that purpose. The guidelines and principles followed, and although it can be argued that the more established Big Ten and Pac-10 might be tempting alternatives to Big 12 schools under any circumstance, disagreements from the start prevented a strong sense of unity that commissioner Dan Beebe wanted to establish at the league's annual meetings in Kansas City this week. As in any shotgun marriage, there were disagreements from the beginning. "We got together, then we got to know each other," Castiglione said. But trusting each other became difficult as some decisions seemed to be made along party lines. Commissioner: Hatchell, the commissioner of the Southwest Conference, or Kansas athletic director Bob Frederick. League office: Dallas or Kansas City. When Hatchell and Dallas were the choices, some of the Big Eight old guard popped off. Former Kansas basketball coach Roy Williams suggested the new league be called the "Big Texas." But some less visible decisions had greater impact. Academic requirements pitted the national football kingpin at the time, Nebraska, against Texas. The Cornhuskers wanted to keep the Big Eight standard of accepting an unlimited number of partial qualifiers. Texas did not. The Longhorns won. In the evolution of the Big 12, Nebraska peaked early then faded. Texas was down and has become a consistent national power. But to the Cornhuskers, what hasn't changed are decisions involving football that favor Texas. On Friday, the Big 12 announced the football championship game will continue in Arlington, Texas, through 2013. Two months ago, Nebraska athletic director Tom Osborne was the only nay in an 11-1 decision for keeping the game at Cowboys Stadium in a vote of sentiment. Osborne, the Cornhuskers' football coach when the league started, said his school gets along fine in the conference. "We like the Big 12," he said at the meetings. "We aren't looking to leave." But Nebraska and Missouri remain a strong part of the Big Ten expansion speculation swirl. The Tigers have voiced other concerns about the Big 12. The revenue sharing formula didn't receive much public attention when the conference was formed. But with the two most financially healthy leagues, the Big Ten and SEC, sharing revenue equally among its members, Mizzou had joined others in criticizing the policy. In the Big 12, half the television money is shared equally. The other half is based on appearances. The idea was to encourage teams to play competitive schedules that would be attractive to television networks. "It's not discriminatory," Beebe said. "Any institution that raises its program to a level where it gets more TV exposure will have a chance to get more revenue." But as the conference progressed, smaller budget schools believed the system favored the larger schools: Texas could play a weak opponent and the game was almost assured of broadcast. Iowa State's game against a similar opponent had no chance. The system won't change, Beebe said. "My focus is on growing the pie even larger," he said. Castiglione shakes his head when he considers college sports without the Big 12. "Six months ago this wasn't an issue for the Big 12 to talk about," he said. "It's bubbled up in other conferences and created a life of its own." He can quote chapter and verse on how the Big 12 has been ideal for his school "and you can say the same for the 11 other institutions. I'm constantly reminded of why the Big 12 is strong, and what we've achieved over time is continued validation." The Big 12 stands to benefit financially by staying together. No exact figures have been revealed, but there are whispers of future television contracts that could produce as much revenue per school as the current SEC take of $17.3 million each. If that's not enough, Beebe warns those who relocate of the great unknown. "Anybody would be risking a lot by going to another place where they'll be outsiders for a long time," Beebe said. But clearly something's amiss when a report identifying six Big 12 schools – the Sooners, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Colorado – as Pac-10 expansion targets doesn't get knocked down. Or that officials from Iowa State use the term "vulnerable" and Kansas State "uncomfortable" when describing some of the expansion scenarios. Does the Big 12 survive? If it doesn't, the seeds for dissolution can be traced back to a time before the first ball was put in play. Distributed by McClatchy-Tribune Information Services.

Posted by: Trashman on June 6, 2010 10:43PM CST Stepn Stop by my palace for Game 6, but I don't watch hockey. I can PIP it for you while we watch The Hills. If the forecast looks bad, bring a parka as the roof can be funny unless you tilt the sheet metal correctly. Choose your path wisely through the front door when you walk on the "stones"...I would hate for you to go down "Indiana Jones style" because you cannot spell Husker in Latin correctly.....

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 10:43PM CST Stepn: Feeling better now? You were going a little psychotic earlier tonight.

Posted by: The StepnRaZor on June 6, 2010 10:44PM CST The ncaa figured out a playoff yet? Thats more interesting than this realignment yap.

Posted by: The StepnRaZor on June 6, 2010 10:46PM CST I'm always down for The Hills. Thats some damn good television right there. Damn good.

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 10:46PM CST All for one and one for all. One will fall and 1 or 2 will join.

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 10:47PM CST Hey Busie, love ya lots. But your comments about Title IX political correctness Bravo Sierra leave me wondering just how many people here need an education from a rational perspective on the subject. For anyone interested in a diversion, I'm well versed on the issue. And PT; I ran a campaign once too. We won though...so neener neener nano neener. ~8^/

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 10:48PM CST isnt 13 unlucky

Posted by: The StepnRaZor on June 6, 2010 10:50PM CST Big Red 1))) Not really. I'm still psychotic.

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 10:54PM CST anyone see the big 12 show on today. it was taped before all the meetings. the girl actually asked beebe some great questions. he yucked them off. she kept at it. later he looked halfway mad.then he went to the meetings and got hit across his high forehead with a two by four. he didnt see it coming. it was amusing

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 10:55PM CST Stepn: Anything new on the recruting trail?

Posted by: Old School Husker on June 6, 2010 10:55PM CST she also has a face for television...he does not

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 6, 2010 10:56PM CST Speaking of playoffs... how Beebe could've prevented all of this, and how Delany masterminded it: "The 16-team playoff was the only route to save the Big 12, Big East and likely the ACC as its now constructed. Under our detailed plan (essentially the NCAA’s model for lower divisions), every time a team plays a game it would receive a share of revenue, in this case $25 million. Consider the 2008-09 season where Big 12 members Oklahoma, Texas and Texas Tech all would’ve been selected. If the seeds held, those clubs would’ve combined to play nine playoff games meaning the league would’ve walked with $225 million in revenue. The conference then could’ve written each league school an $18.75 million check just from the playoff. That year the Big Ten would’ve earned just three shares for $75 million, a per team share of $6.8 million." http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=ArfSB29SPfviNUh3N0iX7Dc5nYcB?slug=dw-expansion060610

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 11:01PM CST stepn: The ncaa figured out a playoff yet? Thats more interesting than this realignment yap. interestingly enough, that's the big picture you've watched being created and going down as we speak. Play mostly solid top school big conference competition, have a playoff game as quarterfinals, throw in the wildcards and voila: we have a national playoff like EVERY OTHER LEVEL when the BCS contract expires. It's on the way...

Posted by: HuskerInCO on June 6, 2010 11:01PM CST Ahhh, the great Terrance Maddox.... http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/fbizuneh/?action=view¤t=WillFerrell-ReplacementModel.flv

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 11:03PM CST LOS: I don't think that will happen. Bcs has too much influence.

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 11:03PM CST excellent Boom i was pecking away when you posted that...

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 11:06PM CST big red 1: when this shakes out, come on back and let's chat about it...hehehe Harvey, who is Mr BCS and the most steadfast BSer about it's perpetuity, knows this too. It's only a matter of time. And the clock is starting to run out quickly on this last big turn in the right direction...

Posted by: big red 1 on June 6, 2010 11:07PM CST You are living in fantasy land.

Posted by: HuskerInCO on June 6, 2010 11:20PM CST I am not sure I want anything to happen. I look at what this can do to college football in the long run and it doesn't appear to be good. Super-Conferences? Keep the Big 12 where it is, which is one of the top 2-3 conferences in all sports.

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 11:25PM CST you're throwing stones from the comfort of your glass house, b r 1... and HuskerinCO...it's about TV$ $et$. we don't have enough to remain in the mix long term, especially in a conference that could give a rip about us until it's apparent we're gone. As in...ADIOS!

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 11:27PM CST ultimatum ultischmatum...they will rue the day...

Posted by: HuskerInCO on June 6, 2010 11:29PM CST I hear ya LSK. I agree. I just don't know if I like it anymore. Kind of sad how college sports are if these conferences are altered according to the number of TV $et$ rather then the product on the field. Very very sad state we are in these days.

Posted by: Albino on June 6, 2010 11:47PM CST Don't miss Frank the Tank. If you read it closely, it will soak up a lot of time, but even a cursory overview provides some interesting insights. Night all.

Posted by: HuskerInCO on June 6, 2010 11:50PM CST "If you're going to have an exported commodity involved in this, do you think we're going to allow a school from outside the state of Texas to replace one of our schools in the Big 12 South?" the legislator told the website. "I don't think so. We're already at work on this." Prick.

Posted by: Albino on June 6, 2010 11:55PM CST Sorry, I had to come back to share this thought. From Frank the Tank at 5pm today: The Big 12 North may have just completed the greatest Coup in sports history. They’ve been wanting to get away from the South Schools ever since the Big12 was formed. Now they just packaged them and handed them off to the Pac-10. New Big 12 = Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas State, BYU, Utah, Boise St, TCU, Memphis, Louisville. HeHeHe

Posted by: rluben on June 6, 2010 11:59PM CST Kind of weird how so many would so easily toss history aside for a new prom date just because TX put on a little weight, wears permanent Mary Kay eye liner, won't let the big hair go and wants it own shopping network.

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 6, 2010 11:59PM CST The product on the field matters, too. In the Big 10 for sure, Academics are a real deal. Hey, you're talking to an old Big 8 guy that was sick to see what happened, how it happened and much of what was put into play (as predicted by many of us) since then. But, honestly. They set this up to fail from the get go. The problems in the Big 12, as the Dallas article pointed out, started at it's inception. Think Dollar bill for starters...it all went south since then.

Posted by: HuskerInCO on June 7, 2010 12:01AM CST rluben, It's also weird how it's all about money and nothing else it seems these days. So different than the 80s and 90s when I was growing up. Bring back the Big 8!

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 7, 2010 12:03AM CST Yeah, also don't forget how OU said goodbye to our annual game. If OU doesn't care about the tradition between our schools, then forget it. We've got a history with Penn State, Notre Dame, and Michigan. We can build from that. Oklahoma can have Texas.

Posted by: Long Necks on June 7, 2010 12:04AM CST Boom - that was a great article. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: LosSantosKid on June 7, 2010 12:05AM CST Albino, you know that if THAT Big 12 could be viable financially it would be a hoot. I'd miss OU I suppose, but really not so much seeing how they played this high stakes round. With decent and equal revenue sharing, Missouri MAYBE would stay. DONU would stay. Wow that would be a scenario that would have me in stitches literally for a month...time to tuck in the wife. Might get online later. What a Sunday!

Posted by: HuskerInCO on June 7, 2010 12:05AM CST boom.roasted, You bet. To hell with OU. They can sleep with UT and get herpes. Tuck Fexas.

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 7, 2010 12:06AM CST no problem... interesting stuff for sure.

Posted by: HuskerInCO on June 7, 2010 12:11AM CST In other news, LSU got ousted today in baseball. They are always a great crowd, an my favorite, to have in Omaha for the CWS.

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 7, 2010 12:16AM CST Russ, that prom date has been acting up. She wants everything on her terms. She wants the check book and is not willing to give back much. but we did have some good times.

Posted by: RonJe on June 7, 2010 12:17AM CST Chicago 10:30 sports, reports that Nebraska and Missouri have been given until Friday to report their intentions to the Big 12 and that the PAC 10 is pursuing six schools in the Big 12. The Big 10 is ramping up their expansion schedule. It is possiblbe one school may be given and invite very soon.

Posted by: rluben on June 7, 2010 12:19AM CST Oh I don't know, here's archaic, novel idea. Be the bigger program, rise above the rubbish cat fighting and all the perceived unfairness and just kick butt n takes names regardless. Or slink away and grummble about how unfair life is and how cool it could have been if only we could always have our own way just like TX and how great we would be if only. Screw that, we don't need no special concessions, we are NE and it's time to start acting like it again. Too much Billy "soft stool" Calification Pedyofoiled permeation of the brain wussification to be undone it would seem.

Posted by: rluben on June 7, 2010 12:35AM CST I pretty tired u of this Poo, poor us , poor NE talk crap. Jesus grow a fricken pair already...life isn't fair and neither is business which college football is. But you can certainly have integrity and you certainly can stand up for what you believe and fight for what you believe is the best for your University and program. Just because you don't win that struggle doesn't mean you say screw it, I'll tuck my tail and go find another sandbox to pay in. Sounds like some whimpering about feeling entitled instead of just going about the business of taking care of business on the field. I say screw running away just because it isn't a perfect world and we don't get our way as much as we'd like to. We don't have it so bad in the Big 12, our own demise has been of our own doing, quit blaming it on things of insignificance. The real issue is has NE become of bunch of wussy entitled feeling grumps who forgot how to kick some butt or how much work actually went into getting to the top and likes to blame everything that doesn't go our way on everyone else or are we going to man up and get back to work and quit crying about how unfair life is. Is Bo a crybaby or is he getting back to work to fix his teams weaknesses? He, his staff and his players left the game in the officials hands, that's on them, not TX and had nothing to do with title fricken 12, or partial qualifiers or TX wanting it's own fricken network. Grow a dang pair and get the hell back to work on fixin the things you can fix and need fixing. Do that and nothing TX does or doesn't do means a dang thing at all.

Posted by: rluben on June 7, 2010 12:41AM CST What would the caveman do to his woman if she got out of line Nish? That's all NE has to do to put TX in it's place. Not run around crying about how unfair it all is and how we have to get away from the unjust treatment we supposedly suffer at the hands of TX.

Posted by: NishBigRed on June 7, 2010 12:41AM CST Breath Russ, breath.

Posted by: Albino on June 7, 2010 12:41AM CST rluben, Check out Frank the Tank. The B10 is delighted to be getting us. Counting on it, in fact. Many see us as a better fit (and, thus, more desirable) than Notre Dame OR Texas). So you're right: no need for moping. Walk Husker tall, and save our revenge for the field! GBR

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 7, 2010 12:43AM CST rluben, This entire situation has NOTHING to do with beating or losing to Texas on the football field. If you want to go tell the higher-ups that they're "soft" for thinking about going to the Big 10, that's fine; but let me know so I can be there when you tell Tom Osborne that he doesn't understand what Nebraska football is about.

Posted by: rluben on June 7, 2010 12:53AM CST Since when did a Husker run a way from a fight because it wasn't stacked in their favor? When has anything ever been stacked in our favor? Did we become the 4th winningest program because we shied away from contact or were afraid to get a little bloody? How did a sparseley populated agricultural state in the heartland rise to such greatness, because everything was in their favor, recruits dreamt of running through cornfields and tipping cows and rich boosters buying them sweet rides and their families nice homes? Hell no, it was through hard work, never ending determination and knowing that although they had some challenges to overcome they could overcome them and by god they woulds not be stopped. We've always had unique challenges to overcome whether it was an opponent with ten times the recruiting base we have or what have you. But we always rose to the challenge. This is no exception, turn and run or stay and take care of getting back to work and getting it done despite the fact some obstacles may make it somewhat of a challenge. What fun is it if it isn't a challenge? Does Nebraska fold in the 4th quarter because they are tired and hurting or do they find another level of fight?

Posted by: Busiekcreek on June 7, 2010 1:09AM CST Heck Russ, this makes me wanna go out and put a beat down on somebody. I'll disregard the cave man remark.

Posted by: rluben on June 7, 2010 1:09AM CST Boom so it's about money? Where's the honor in that, it's not like we don't make our share. Where's the honor in leavig your long time conference mates from the old big 6 and big 8 to fend for themselves to pursue the mighty dollar? So you are telling me that Tom Osborne, a man who willingly gave his bonuses to his coaching staff is all about the money? I don't buy that, and I don't buy that it's his decision to make, he can weigh in sure, but he doesn't run the university admin. Hey if they want to spin it that it's to better the academics, and research money blah blah blah then so be it, I couldn't say that can't be true. I think I'd still call BS and call a spade a spade, that it was just to spite TX and show them who was more powerfull afterall. While they all giggled about how TX has to play tons of games in Pacific time zones. College football has never been all about the money to Tom...give me a break. I just don't like it if we run away crying about how unfair the Big 12 conference was to NE boo hooo. If we run, let ti be fro tangible legitimate reasons, not because we are yeller little crybabies who couldn't have their way or beat TX. Please give me more solid reasons than we are little wussies who like to throw tantrums because we can't have it our way all the time. Better academic possibilities for students, sure, I could maybe buy that, down the road, better networking opps for graduates, sure...sounds feasible if you say so. More money from TV deals, maybe, we may never know what the BIG12 could have negotiated. I'm sorry , I still don't see big whoopdeedoo. Big ten doesn't make me go ohhhh ahhhh. I must bow. Nope, not even a little.

Posted by: Albino on June 7, 2010 1:11AM CST Russ, We have no more reason to stay in an exploitative relationship than an abused spouse does. As Dylan nicely writes: "But I mean no harm, nor put fault, on anyone that lives in a vault, but it's all right Ma, if I can't please him!" We'll take our revenge on the field, but it need not be every year. GBR

Posted by: rluben on June 7, 2010 1:17AM CST lol sorry about that busie I knew it sounded bad, you should've read my first version. ...Before I edited it with you in mind in fact and respect for you. I'm just real sick of this crying about how unfair the Big 12 is to us and how poor wittle 'ol NE needs to get away from the TX conference instead of making them our you know what. Por poor NE, all of our problems are caused by TX, poor us blah blah blah. Screw that... Tired of it. Sick and fricken tired of it...do something about it or run away sniveling. Good thing those Cajuns don't just sit around feeling sorry for themselves when a challenge comes along.

Posted by: rluben on June 7, 2010 1:21AM CST I'm out, I've read a weeks worth of poor poor us, enough to last a lifetime. The day NE quits because life aint fair or runs away froma challenge with their hands out worshipping the dollar saying show me the money might be the day I quit them. They better come up with better reasons than that. That's not what I bought into for decades.

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 7, 2010 1:23AM CST Here are the reasons: Academic Prestige Research Money Long Term Conference Stability More Money from TV Deals Nebraska could still stay in the Big 12. But the Big 12 won't get more money in the next round of TV negotiations if Texas decides to keep its Longhorns Sports Network. That destroys the negotiating power of the rest of the conference. It doesn't have anything to do with losing to Texas on the field. It has to do with being in a conference where programs treat each other as equals, rather then where one program tries to exploit all of the others.

Posted by: Busiekcreek on June 7, 2010 1:24AM CST I'm in the stay and fight 'em crowd but I do have some bitter memories of the old SWC when I was a student at U. of Ark. Yes, we are a strong people down this way, but we have never faced anything like this. Fevers, floods, hurricanes, you know what you gotta do. Dunno, some fool called a wrong number and now I can't go back to sleep Anddddd, the Tigers lost to U of Cal, Irvine today. No trip to Omaha this year.

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 7, 2010 1:27AM CST rluben, In an earlier post, you said that we should life isn't fair and neither is the business that is college football, and we should get over it. Then, in another post, you said that there was dishonor in these decisions being based on money... So, you want us to get used to the business of college sports, but that we shouldn't try to make money? Interesting business model.

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 7, 2010 1:30AM CST oops, meant to say "you said that life isn't fair and neither is the business that is college football, and we should get over it."

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 7, 2010 1:33AM CST By the way, I don't think anyone in favor of moving to the Big 10 is afraid of playing Texas. I do think it could be fun to play them in the Rose Bowl rather than at Jerryworld.

Posted by: Albino on June 7, 2010 1:37AM CST Boom is right about the four reasons. Not moving away from a structurally disadvantageous situation is the same as accepting persistent victimhood, which is not what we should do. Toughness on the field is great. Toughness in business &/or institutions involves insisting upon structural equity. We should honor our worth off the field as well as on it. JMO. GBR

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 7, 2010 1:37AM CST The world herald seems to imply that PAC 10 expansion may occur without waiting for Nebraska's decision: http://www.omaha.com/article/20100606/BIGRED/306069874/-1#sources-pac-10-may-act-soon-on-expansion

Posted by: Albino on June 7, 2010 1:40AM CST Busie, Our thoughts and prayers are with you all.

Posted by: boom.roasted on June 7, 2010 1:42AM CST Definitely Busie. Good luck with everything. Hopefully it turns around soon.

Posted by: Busiekcreek on June 7, 2010 1:48AM CST Thx guys, we need all the help we can get. Gonna try and get back to sleep. Yall carry on the good fight. Go Big Red Geaux LSU

Posted by: Albino on June 7, 2010 7:14AM CST One supplement to the previous line of argument. Nebraska has an obligation to put its student athletes on the field in the best, and fairest, circumstances possible. And that is what I see Tom, Bo and the other university officials seeking to do. GBR

Posted by: Outside The Box on June 7, 2010 8:05AM CST "Anddddd, the Tigers lost to U of Cal, Irvine today. No trip to Omaha this year." -------------------------------- It simply does not seem right to end the CWS run at Rosenblatt without the Tigers. Here's hoping they can make it for the grand opening of the new house.

Posted by: salmon_slayer63 on June 7, 2010 9:26AM CST Well, all I hope for is a place that we can play enjoyable football. I personally belive that the conference doesnt want DONU because of the way the votes go. So time to move on. The OWH story does mean that we could end up on the short end of the stick though.

Posted by: Wrestler on June 7, 2010 9:36AM CST Skull and Bones, interesting reading? Tier 1 Stanford #4 and Northwestern #8, are two of the three schools my HK university has exchange programs with, the other being Cornell? So my university ranked in top 100 of world rankings for universities so I guess I expect those kinds of schools here in USA? The Tens contemplate divide and conquer? GBR Zhou Da Hong! Getting close 1 hour 1/2 to 4 days and counting?

Posted by: Papillion_Husker on June 7, 2010 9:57AM CST I noticed in the recent OWH photo, BC's standing behind and to the right of TO (TO's right). You looked tired, BC...with good reason, I imagine. I know we have no control over the current happenings, which is causing a lot of trepidation amoungst us. I also know we have the one person (or persons) who undoubtedly have Nebraska's best interests as (their) top priority. Is TO always right? No, but...I trust in him to look out for NU in the short and long-term. Are we all going to agree or favor a move to the Big 10+? No. Just as we all don't agree whether or not we should continue the status quo in the XII. One thing we can all agree on...these are exciting and unprecedented times.

Posted by: SuperHusker17 on June 7, 2010 10:10AM CST I wish I knew what to even think about all this stuff. First it was basically the B12 South and CU to the Pac-10, then it was rumors about basically the whole Big 12 and Pac-10 merger. Then it's the Big 10 really only want ND and would stop at them. This is like waiting for a date/girlfriend/wife to get ready to go out. (no offense ladies) I'm good with just sitting back and letting it all play out. I like DBP's poker analogy, everyone has a hand and is still trying to feel out what the other person has after the flop. I guess I'm folding because I have a terrible read on what's going on. Kinda makes me glad I did pick Wichita State over Baylor and Tech for grad school, could have started as a member of the Big 12 and ended as a who knows what. Good to see you back some Wrestler. I hear rumor you're getting married soon?

Posted by: salmon_slayer63 on June 7, 2010 10:10AM CST frank the tanks article is interesting. he talks about shipping the B12 south to pac 10 country so B12 N can form a new conference with the best of the MWC.....

Posted by: PT Husker on June 7, 2010 10:11AM CST Just got done reading sips column about Toms Remarks. Lays out what appear to be the three options. # 1 or #2 would be fine. # 3 is not good. I am sure sip will put up a blog about it soon.

Posted by: Husker_Heat on June 7, 2010 10:13AM CST Papio, I agree, mostly.... but yer wrong on one point : Nebraska is the trigger for all of this. We are the first domino in the long line of dominos. We are the gatekeeper, young padawan. And I'm so happy that T.O. is our Obi-Wan. Use the force, Tom.

Posted by: salmon_slayer63 on June 7, 2010 10:27AM CST We were the gate keeper, our time has come and gone. We may have made our decision and we might not have. If we have made a decision doesnt matter what card falls first. If were are still "crossing our fingers" its maybe a very bad thing.

Posted by: salmon_slayer63 on June 7, 2010 10:28AM CST Last thing, the MSU AD said they are concentrating on ND, before DONU or Misery.

Posted by: Outside The Box on June 7, 2010 11:00AM CST I don't really buy the idea that Nebraska is the "trigger" or initial domino in all of this. We have the ability to be the first one to move, but the invitation we're supposedly waiting on is likely contingent upon other schools... Notre Dame is could be the first domino. If ND decides to go to the 10, there is a feeling that the 10 might be content to be 12 (it's scary how many of us can make sense of that sentence). However, as much as no one wants to admit it, Texas is the trigger here. Everyone wants Texas. The Pac 10, the Big XII, the Big 10 all would like Bevo (and their revenue potential) and I'd guess the SEC and ACC wouldn't turn them down either. Texas essentially gets to pick if they want to stay, go west, or go to the 10.

Posted by: eddie again on June 7, 2010 11:10AM CST TO and Harvey have probably told the big 10 that if the offer does not come before the big 12 deadline for Nebraska to commit to the big 12 passes, then nebraska is sticking with the big 12. i still think the big 12 should expand and nebraska stay with it. the big 10 with mich, penn state, ohio state, and maybe notre dame and nebraska would immediatelyb become the leading football conference. i think Mizzous is pursing the big 10 more than the big 10 is pursuing mizzou. still them might offer mizzou to arrive at an even number of teams.

Posted by: PlyNeb on June 7, 2010 11:20AM CST I think that NU ignores the ultimatum, Texas and their peeps split for the Pac-16. Then its just a question of whether NU goes to Big 10 or Mountain West.