Life in the Red Group

Posted by: Average Joseph on November 30, 2009 12:49PM CST BAM!

Posted by: Average Joseph on November 30, 2009 12:50PM CST I don't think we will ever play our best game because that DOES NOT exists.

Posted by: The StepnRaZor on November 30, 2009 12:50PM CST BAM!!! II

Posted by: Outside The Box on November 30, 2009 1:04PM CST BC & Sip - it's going to be a long week, pace yourselves. Save some of the posts for later on.

Posted by: NishBigRed on November 30, 2009 1:10PM CST Wow great picture of Bo screaming at a player. Let see if Mangino does that he gets investigated with the goal of termination. Bo does that and it is acceptable and defined as being intense with the desire for perfection and wining. If Bo was 3-9 I doubt it would still be acceptable. I wonder if 200 pounds less and a few more wins would make a difference for the coach from Kansas? For the record I have no problem a coach laying into a kid on the sidelines. Just wish Bo could cut out the profanities. Would you want someone yelling at your kid the way Bo does? I guess its ok as long as he doesn’t grab the kids face mask.

Posted by: Bumarooskie on November 30, 2009 1:19PM CST I sure hope we see some of that "best football" in the remaining two games. We've been holding our breath in anticipation for quite a few games now, especially on offense. :)

Posted by: HuskerzRock on November 30, 2009 1:19PM CST There is nothing wrong with how Bo handles things. And as far as Mangino is concerned the questions are raised because of verbal abuse. As in belittling his players. Huge difference... Also, Sean Fisher played like crap and deserved the yelling from both of them there...

Posted by: WyHuskerFan on November 30, 2009 1:25PM CST Nish, I played competitive sports through prep and college and have never had a coach use profanity to me. I've had them up close and personal and could definately tell you if they had garlic with lunch, but never a curse word. It's unprofessional. I know in modern America, cursing is used as an adjective or an adverb. I think it shows ignorance, poor command of the English language and is just classless. I don't like seeing the cameras pan in on him because you know he comes off looking bad. The mad man from Lincoln is not the image of a successful coach. I love him passion, I just want to see it channeled in different ways. I don't expect him to be as reserved as Mack or TO, however he needs to modify his sideline demeanor.

Posted by: Outside The Box on November 30, 2009 1:28PM CST Nish - I'm sure Bo's demeanor will be used against him in recruiting, so anyone who comes here (or to KU for that matter) should not be caught off-guard when the coach chews them out.

Posted by: The StepnRaZor on November 30, 2009 1:29PM CST I would want my kid to punch Bo in the mouth if he yelled at him like that.

Posted by: HuskerzRock on November 30, 2009 1:31PM CST You can tell people are old/old-fashioned when they cry about language usage. Sorry Step, any kid that has that attitude toward a coach when they're getting their @ss reamed for playing like sh!t doesn't deserve to be playing.

Posted by: The StepnRaZor on November 30, 2009 1:33PM CST That said... Bo should be yelling at Fisher. Fisher hasn't picked it up yet. He's tentative. I'm sure that kills Bo.

Posted by: WyHuskerFan on November 30, 2009 1:33PM CST OTB, I don't think there's anything wrong with chewing a guy out for blowing an assignment (again!) I just want him to broaden his vocabulary to multisyllabic words.

Posted by: HuskerzVA on November 30, 2009 1:36PM CST Getting chewed out is a part of life.

Posted by: HuskerzRock on November 30, 2009 1:36PM CST In my example Step i was referring to "your son" as fisher and his messing up.

Posted by: PT Husker on November 30, 2009 1:39PM CST The thing that the camera never shows is the love he gives when they do well. Nobody wants to see that. But the kids respond to him beautifully. there is not a player on that team that is contributing that won't run through walls for him.

Posted by: JamesoN on November 30, 2009 1:41PM CST I have no problem with the butt chewing, because I always responded well to it...but if he had a whipping boy that got the wrath all the time I have a problem with that.

Posted by: HuskerzRock on November 30, 2009 1:42PM CST They need to show Ek when he's showing some love too.....the man is absolutely crazy!

Posted by: WyHuskerFan on November 30, 2009 1:43PM CST PT, Very true. TO's players felt that way about him. I've often wondered if he ever came unglued in the locker room.

Posted by: The StepnRaZor on November 30, 2009 1:44PM CST It's just me. I don't think there are that many reasons to be yelling at somebody like a crazed maniac. A football game is not one of them imo. Bo uses pure terror to get the troops in line. Good for him. It obviously works. I wouldn't do it. Just sayin... Personally... I wouldn't want anybody to yell at a family member of mine like that. Am I opposed to Bo doing it to anybody else? Nope.

Posted by: MileHiHusker on November 30, 2009 1:44PM CST They better play their best football on Saturday. With the combo of NU's best football and an average game from TX, NU could pull it off.

Posted by: HuskerzVA on November 30, 2009 1:45PM CST JamesoN - I have a feeling Bo is an equal opportunity butt chewer.

Posted by: MileHiHusker on November 30, 2009 1:48PM CST I heard TO really went off at halftime of a home game against CU once. the Huskers did come out and play inspired and ended up winning that game. I don't remember what year it was but I was in college and heard it from some of the players.

Posted by: IM_Hip_Hop on November 30, 2009 1:50PM CST Let's go, fellas! This texas team is no different than v tech, ou or any other. Not only do we belong on the same field as these guys, you know that you have the ability to be the better team on saturday night. The Pelini-revived Blackshirt defense led by a Suhperman hungry for a championship, along with outstanding special teams, then sprinkle in some timely offense with ZERO turnovers and the Big 12 is ours.No excuses, nothing held back, just go out there and show the horns what Husker Power is all about.

Posted by: The StepnRaZor on November 30, 2009 1:50PM CST Technically... a defensive coach has to have that pure terror thing going. And imo... he needs to be cussing as well. I know that may sound crazy... but cussing is kinda dirty and can be mean.... like defense has to be. Two guys that always cussed up a storm and had it working for them... Chuck McBride. Enough said. And I've been to Eagles training camp a couple of times... their Oline coach... who is one of the best... Juan Castillo... cusses all day long. Rarely says a non cuss word. The best part is... he has this piercing voice that covers all the fields. His voice stands out over all else. Justa nothing but cussin!

Posted by: MileHiHusker on November 30, 2009 1:55PM CST When I watch NU games I become a cusser.

Posted by: WyHuskerFan on November 30, 2009 1:55PM CST If it's used all the time it has little shock value as a motivational tool. When did you truly respond to someone, when they chewed you out in public or sat you down in private and told you how disappointed they were?

Posted by: NishBigRed on November 30, 2009 1:57PM CST I knew I would cause a ruckus with my last post. I actually thought I would get berated a lot more, I’m surprised there are those who agreed. Played football over 20 years ago on one occasion my coach broke a clip board over my head to prove that I closed my eyes just before a tackle. He was right I did close my eyes. Never the less last time I was home one of parent of guys I played with brought up the clip board incident. My friend’s dad stated if the coach had broken the clip board over his son’s head it would have been the last game his son had played. I like Bo’s coaching as well as his intensity but as other stated it’s kind of embarrassing when the cameras zoom in on Bo. I guess on the last TD that CO made, Bo was giving praise to Christ, good for him.

Posted by: WyHuskerFan on November 30, 2009 1:59PM CST Keep stirring the pot, Nish. You're doing good.

Posted by: Wrestler on November 30, 2009 2:05PM CST WANTED AND DANGEROUS MEMBERS OF INFAMOUS AND NOTORIOUS TURKEY RUSTLING GANG! BE EXTREMELY CAUTIOUS IN THE PRESENCE OF SUCH DESPERATE OR CONSTIPATED HOMBRES SUCH AS THESE? IF UPSET BEEN KNOW TO SPIT OUT THEIR GERBER BABY FOOD ON PASSING SENIOR CITIZENS! 1. DOC HOLIDAY, AKA GOFOR2, finally get to be on same side of this shooting match, TG OU has been disposed of? GOFOR2, I will call this "The Not so Red River, tainted somewhat with pollution, Slingshot Shootout!". GBR! Zhou Da Hong! 2. HK CORRAL KID, AKA GBRTX OR COACH, finally a Okie and a Texan transplant, rooting for the demise of UT together? GBR! Zhou Da Hong! 3. WALMART RUSTLER, AKA PT, stranger things have happened you have a former model and former world class wt. lifter and current intelligent accountant, all chinese rooting with you? Time for you to go out and get some eggrolls? GO BIG POSITIVE RED! OR GO LITTLE NEGATIVE ORANGE! IF YOU SEE ANY OF THESE DANGEROUS HOMBRES, APPROACH WITH BABY RATTLER IN HAND AND GO AND CALL YOUR LOCAL NURSERY AS FAST AS YOU CAN! IT MAYBE GETTING CLOSE TO THEIR RUG NAPTIME!

Posted by: GBR in Texas on November 30, 2009 2:09PM CST Afternoon boys and girls! Got about 20 minutes of lunch time to work with, who needs to eat anyway! Howdy Professor!

Posted by: Wrestler on November 30, 2009 2:10PM CST I played competitive sports through prep and college and have never had a coach use profanity to me. I've had them up close and personal and could definately tell you if they had garlic with lunch, but never a curse word. It's unprofessional. I know in modern America, cursing is used as an adjective or an adverb. I think it shows ignorance, poor command of the English language and is just classless. I don't like seeing the cameras pan in on him because you know he comes off looking bad. The mad man from Lincoln is not the image of a successful coach. WyHuskerFan, athletes come in different flavors and diversified backgrounds and I respect immensely your thoughts and concur somewhat with them? I also belive that other athletes choose this type of fire and brimstone approach of coaching and motivation as well? So athletes get to know the personalities of differing coaches in observation and others informing, so they and their families make these decisions with all considerations taken under concern? What you see or observe is what you get somewhat? GBR! Zhou Da Hong!

Posted by: PT Husker on November 30, 2009 2:15PM CST Howdy Wrestler. Big week in Huskerville for sure. Me, I am just going to sit back and enjoy the game. I expected us to be in it from the get go. Never waivered in that. And frankly I will be suprized if we win it. But we will compete. Texas will know they have been in a game when it is over. Ya just never know how the ball will bounce.

Posted by: Wrestler on November 30, 2009 2:15PM CST GBRTX or Coach, What's up? I am putting out my poster of wanted, on you Turkey Rustlers, just having some fun and trying to inject some humor before the big game? Hope no misunderstanding as I have the deepest respect for all that's in the gang? You should be a overtheroad driver as many miles as you're putting in recently? GBR! Zhou Da Hong! Got a meeting with President of our University today, by his request, I was told it was all good sure hope so?

Posted by: Islander/Husker on November 30, 2009 2:16PM CST Devaney was another one who would get in a players face. Plus, Devaney would yell at the refs all the time, even to the point of running on the field towards the refs. But Bob also would put his arms around a player and say good job. Many players who played under Devaney says that is who Bo reminds them of. Not a bad example to follow. Every coach has to coach by his own personality. Some have mention McBride, players said he was known to give the tough love. Corigan, the running back coach before Solich, was a guy who would really go after players. Running backs who ran out of bounds would really feel his wrath, with many, many four letter words. He used them all.

Posted by: GBR in Texas on November 30, 2009 2:18PM CST About the picture...pull your skirts up and get your panties out of a wad and take what you deserve! It's called "tough love." Most kids want to be corrected when they have made mistakes, by the same token they also want to be acknowledged when they do things right. That's what we have with our coaches. The profanity...I can do without it. IMO there is no place for it when you are working with someone else's kids. In my 30 years there is not one athlete that has ever heard a word of profanity come out of my mouth. That said, there are those kids, because of how they've been raised, that "will not" respond unless he is addressed in that way. Sad, but true. The job of a coach is to bring the kids up to his level and to "NEVER" go down to theirs. It is a very difficult situation to be in.

Posted by: HuskerzVA on November 30, 2009 2:19PM CST I respect the opinions of most on here but IMO if you want to get pampered you shouldn't play the game.

Posted by: Wrestler on November 30, 2009 2:19PM CST Yes I concur again with you Coach, I see Huskers stellar defense keeping them in this game, and TO's and other courses of events could be the determining factor of the outcome? UT is great and all but they could implode as well? OU vs KSU comes to mind in one Big 12 championship game in the past? And going in that was supposed to be a even bigger mismatch, with some claiming OU the best in a long time? So I have this game close and exciting and it wouldn't surprise me in least bit for a major upset? TCU would be extremely happy, probably putting them in NC title game? GBR! Zhou Da Hong!

Posted by: HuskerzVA on November 30, 2009 2:23PM CST Coach O didn't have to yell. He had his assistants do it for him.

Posted by: Wrestler on November 30, 2009 2:25PM CST Good morning IH and others as well. Tough love in coaching or DI's in military prepare and uplift you for what is a very demanding sport or action of life with inherent dangers if not prepared? So how athletes view coaches and public and fans can sometimes be different for some? GBR! Zhou Da Hong!

Posted by: GBR in Texas on November 30, 2009 2:26PM CST There are "alot" of Husker fans in Fort Worth this week. Texas most definitely has a reputation for taking teams lightly. I don't see it happening here, not with national championship implications. That said...these are kids and anyone who says that they can control what goes on in the minds of 18 to 22 year olds, well honestly they just don't have a clue!

Posted by: GBR in Texas on November 30, 2009 2:36PM CST I'm not a big yeller and screamer but that's not to say that I won't raise my voice a time or two when it's needed. At parent meetings I tell the parents that when the kids are on their (the parents') side of the fence they belong to them, but when they are on my side of the fence they belong to me. I also tell them that no one likes for their kids to be yelled at. So, during games, when they're on my side of the fence, don't yell at my kids! Your job is to be his support system so be positive with with what you say to him. My job is to make him the best player and teammate that he can be. You do you your job and love your son enough to let me do mine. It's worked for me. Our job in this siutation, IMO, is to be supportive. That's all we can do.

Posted by: Islander/Husker on November 30, 2009 2:36PM CST Now I don't know if Bo swears alot, have not been on the sidelines. But, I have also seen Bo on the sidelines patting a player on the back, giving his encourgement. Do you think Dillard would have responded as he did without both the tough love and encourgement? Of course not. I do know this photographers are really working hard to get shots of Bo yelling. They are not going to show the other stuff much. but you know, each coaching staff including ours has a wide variety of personalities that balance each other. Brown's intensity and high expectations. Watson's quiet and positive personality (I have never heard him say anything bad about anybody). Ekelar the energizer bunny. Carl is intense but he is a big encourager, not like Bo at all. Sanders, who is quietly intense but cool. Cotton has that booming voice which you can hear for miles. So, whatever works.l Go Big Red.

Posted by: Wrestler on November 30, 2009 2:37PM CST That said...these are kids and anyone who says that they can control what goes on in the minds of 18 to 22 year olds, well honestly they just don't have a clue! Well put Coach! But now for some schools like BYU and prior missionary work ages can be somewhat extended past 22 yr. mark etc. I remember a funny story told by Billy Crystal about how he played HS basketball in NY and I know this is for humor so please all take it in that vein please! But he said that he knew his team was beat when the opposing team would get off the bus for the game with beards and kissing their wives or GF's and babies before the game? Of course inferring a disparity of age and maturation? GBR! Zhou Da Hong!

Posted by: WyHuskerFan on November 30, 2009 2:37PM CST Wrestler, Trust me when I say I agree with the fire and brimstone approach when appropriate. Nish said he had a clipboard broken over his helmet, well I've had a lacrosse stick broken over mine and believe me it made a lasting impression. My objection is to the use of profanity. I don't think there's a place for it at an institution of higher learning. I'm old/old fashioned as someone else posted I suppose. Everything about NU I want seen in a positive light. IMHO it does the university a disservice to have the Head coach of such a storied program to be portrayed as a loose cannon. While you and I know differently, the public at large watching the game may get a false impression which does a disservice to Bo. I think this topic has been beaten to death and opinions are widely varied and I respect them all. Bo is who he is and I'll support him as long as he holds the reins. GBR!

Posted by: GBR in Texas on November 30, 2009 2:40PM CST Time's up...gotta go back to school. Maybe later tonight. Keep up the good work everyone. ZDH!

Posted by: Wrestler on November 30, 2009 2:45PM CST Well put WyHuskerFan, I enjoy your posts and insights of wisdoms in regards to Husker football? I love the state you reside in as well part of God's country at its best? GBR! Zhou Da Hong! Ever take in the rodeo in Cheyenne?

Posted by: NUCORNDEVIL on November 30, 2009 2:48PM CST Poor Charlie, goes to show everyone how successful an NFL system is in college, if im not mistaken Callaham and Weis ended thier college career with similar records. Let this be a lesson to Wats and his bull headed approach to continue with his Wats Coast Offense next year. I really like the smashmouth approach and it seems the players like it as well. A good base offense that seems to be effective is the Offense Stanford is running.

Posted by: Ender on November 30, 2009 3:17PM CST Wrestler, I appreciate your posts, and I think they are usually some of the most insightful... having said that, those question marks drive me nuts

Posted by: Robka on November 30, 2009 3:34PM CST Nish y do continue to compare Bo & Mangino? Mangino tears players down, Bo gets mad and yells. Mangino told a kid from the bad area of St. louis (who's brother was shot and KILLED) that he would send him back to the ghetto to get shot like his brother. DO U STILL WANT TO COMPARE WHAT BO DOES 2 WHAT MANGINO HAS DONE? Ridiculous. Bo just has anger management issues. Mangino is SCUM ....PERIOD. Bo's players wouldn't run through walls if he said things like mangino. BO BIG RED!!!

Posted by: Wrestler on November 30, 2009 3:37PM CST Question marks are a Asian thing meaning to infer not so profound my statements but more just my opinions and trying to be respectful of those who differ from me? Ender, you're right question marks maybe drive you and others crazy but Country Husker understood this way of expression coming from the Asian world. So good I think I got through these comments for you with one question mark, a work in progress, no I will not put a question mark. OK, a huge work in progess for change, Ender. GBR! Zhou Da Hong! 5:30 am Tuesday here in HK got to run. (1 question mark in all this for you, Ender, have a good one!)

Posted by: Ender on November 30, 2009 3:42PM CST Ha Yes I didn't mean any offense, more just jabbin at you a little bit. Interesting tidbit about the question mark and Asian culture. I'm actually going to be moving to South Korea in about a month so thats something I'll have to keep in mind!

Posted by: NishBigRed on November 30, 2009 4:01PM CST Robka, Good point about Mangino. Mangino is no saint. Would you agree if he didn’t have the weight issues and was going to a BCS this would be a non-issue? Then again to wrongs to make a right either. I do like the way the players are performing under Bo.

Posted by: JayBr on November 30, 2009 4:25PM CST Bo was pretty calm through much of the game....but I guarantee you Fisher knew exactly why he got chewed. Fisher specifically caught my eye twice during the game. Once when he came in on a substitution and acted very confused on where to line up. Two different teammates had to move him out of the way on a formation. Another was during one of Colorado's drives. Hansen rolled out and Fisher did not aggressively pursue his man who ended up catching the ball.

Posted by: Silicon Valley Husker on November 30, 2009 4:37PM CST Robka, I could be wrong, but I don't think the KU player's brother died...got hit in the shoulder. MM allegedely also used a player's alcoholic father as an example in front of the team. I don't know Mangino and most who have coached with him or played for him have defended him. I agree with GBR and Wrestler that the profanity is really unnecessary and unprofessional. I was a sailor in my days, so I have heard and uttered more than a few in my day. Different coaches have different approaches. Two questions in my mind about Bo on the sidelines: 1) Does he get so worked up that he's out of control himself? (And what example does that provide?) 2) Does the "teachable moment" result in teaching or intimidation without learning? I don't claim to know the answer to either. Coaches aren't perfect and I don't expect they are perfect every time. I would hope that in the majority of these circumstances, Bo is under control enough that the player learns instead of being purely inspired by fear. Coach GBR, curious as to what experiences you have seen in whether you lose a kid or whether a coach loses his cool? I remember one of our linebackers cussing out a coach on the sideline of a playoff game because someone subbed in for him and then the coach told him "no, you're in" and we got penalized for 12 players...my buddy counted twelve and tried to get off. The asst coach started to give him an earful and the kid said "He tells me I'm out, you tell me I'm in..how the f am I supposed to know?" We went into the locker room at the half a minute later and I've never seen that asst that quiet in my life. It was one of the funniest things I ever saw in my own sports life.

Posted by: Robka on November 30, 2009 4:39PM CST Nish - Winning cures things, but his weight is not an issue on coaching (unless he is taking out his uncomfortable disposition on his players) His weight is an issue on how long the guy will live. That being said, Woody Hayes won and still lost his job because he crossed the line and the things Mangino said definitely crossed the line . BO BIG RED!!!

Posted by: Silicon Valley Husker on November 30, 2009 4:44PM CST NUCORN......had not thought of that, but both Weis and BC had good offenses and defenses that could not help them win games......it would be curious to see where Weis' defensive staff came from.

Posted by: GreenBrterRed on November 30, 2009 5:01PM CST Ender - your handle wouldn't be from the Orson Scott Card book, would it?

Posted by: Robka on November 30, 2009 5:13PM CST SVH - Even if he didn't die I'm sure u agree those type of comments made by Mangino r classless. I don't think Bo tries to intimidate, he just gets fired up and yells. I have talked with people that r on the inside and NONE of Bo's antics r personal or meant 2 tear down or intimidate. He just wears his heart on a sleeve and does not filter as much as say someone in a office job would. That being said, he has gotten better and will as his career continues, but there will always be moments he loses his cool. Dr. Tom was well aware of that part of his personality when Bo was hired and if TO is willing 2 look past it then so am I:) BO BIG RED!!!

Posted by: Silicon Valley Husker on November 30, 2009 5:43PM CST Robka....I agree Mangino's comments were out of line. Even if you are going to light a fire under someone, attacking family, who have nothing to do with the circumstances, is class less. I'm fine with someone being fired up and have no problem with them yelling. I do think that this approach with officials will generally contribute to not getting the benefit of the doubt when there is a questionable call. I agree Bo has made progress.....this approach with officials is not helping though. It also sets a bad example to players relative to remaining level headed and keeping your head in the game.

Posted by: Ender on November 30, 2009 5:47PM CST Green, yeah it is.. I set up this account the day I finished reading the book, so it was the first thing that came to mind. I havent got around to reading the sequels, but I really enjoyed Ender's game.

Posted by: The StepnRaZor on November 30, 2009 6:25PM CST My fav Mangino line was... "We'll send you back to St Louis to get shot like your homies!"

Posted by: huskers4_eva on November 30, 2009 6:46PM CST Mine too Step, mine too.